ok... it's freakin' halfway through this match and Dr.SH hasn't shown up.... i'm tempted to do some arguing for him just because i don't like walkovers...... if i was i might say something like.......
Originally posted by long pig
He COULD say that, but then I'd say he was wrong. If Deathlok is in there, it's via cybernetics.
nope, all attributes of characters are switched to the prime body excluding strength.... so his computer enhanced mind is perfectly legal without breaking any rules OR leaving himself susceptible to electrical interference
Originally posted by long pig
If he countered by saying "Well, then I'm not using Deathlok's mind at all, just his weapons!" I'd say: Using weapons that, since you now don't have DL's mind, you don't know how to use?
all minds are incorporated into the amalgam... that argument is a non-factor
Originally posted by long pig
If he were to say: "Well, my shield yada yada" I'd say "Well, magneto was able to magnetize said shield....Why can't I?."
because Electro has never shown abilities rivaling Magneto's... in fact he's never repelled a bullet... actually, where does he ever use a shield?
Also, Electro needed a moment to concentrate to use electrostatic powers... he never once got time to use them when Spider-Man was on top of him... when he's under attack by Vibranium bullets that absorb energy efficiently enough to pass through an energy shield, he'll only be concentrating on not getting himself shot... no time for complex thought
Originally posted by long pig
Then someone would come in and say "But, I thought Vibranium can't be magnetized." And then I'd say "Prove it" then no one would.
maybe it can... but Electro isn't a big magnet... he uses electrostatic energy to propel metals (not electromagnetic) ... that energy will be absorbed by vibranium
Originally posted by long pig
Then, I'd harp on my speed/strength/durability advantage and the fact all his weapons are useless
Speed advantage? in movement yes... some... but in thought and reaction time no DL's enhancements make his mind faster and able to react better
Strength advantage?... no... Agent Zero's ability to channel any stored kinetic energy to boost his strength ten times added to USAgent's ten ton strength mean that he's well above you here
Durability?..... nah.... USAgent's body is very durable already... when inside a vibranium suit he's much more durable than Shocktopus... THEN when you add Agent Zero's kinetic absorption powers he totally outclasses you in this department
............then i'd counter-attack with something along the lines of.................
Vibranium anti-metal bullets can penetrate both your energy shield AND your armour
Deathlok's enhancements can keep track of your movements making you easier to hit... Agent is already a "precision marksman"... you're gonna get hit
either that or continual plasma assaults weaken your shields to the point where they drop leaving you open to regular ammunition
..........anyway, that's what i might say......... if i was inclined to argue this match.........
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nope, all attributes of characters are switched to the prime body excluding strength.... so his computer enhanced mind is perfectly legal without breaking any rules OR leaving himself susceptible to electrical interference
all minds are incorporated into the amalgam... that argument is a non-factor
because Electro has never shown abilities rivaling Magneto's... in fact he's never repelled a bullet... actually, where does he ever use a shield?
If he can lift trucks, he can repel a bullet. Don't be stupid.
Also, Electro needed a moment to concentrate to use electrostatic powers... he never once got time to use them when Spider-Man was on top of him... [quote]
You're showing your ignorance, scoob. Check Electro's first appearance. Then check MK Spiderman #3 where Spiderman is on top and he gets nailed.[quote]when he's under attack by Vibranium bullets that absorb energy efficiently enough to pass through an energy shield, he'll only be concentrating on not getting himself shot... no time for complex thought
maybe it can... but Electro isn't a big magnet... he uses electrostatic energy to propel metals (not electromagnetic) ... that energy will be absorbed by vibranium
Read the part where he says "I now have control over ALL electricity" Then read the part where Lady Ock is a genius in the field of electronics and robotics and physics.
Speed advantage? in movement yes... some... but in thought and reaction time no DL's enhancements make his mind faster and able to react better
Also, try to comprehend that Speedfreek can move faster than you can see, then add Electro amping those stats even further, then add Snap amping it all even further.
Strength advantage?... no... Agent Zero's ability to channel any stored kinetic energy to boost his strength ten times added to USAgent's ten ton strength mean that he's well above you here
Lady Ock's tentacles are stronger than USAgent by themselves, you know this. Then add a suit of armor than gives the wearer more strength and Electro inside it amping himself to 10+ tons.
I'm double his strength anyway you cut it.
Durability?..... nah.... USAgent's body is very durable already... when inside a vibranium suit he's much more durable than Shocktopus... THEN when you add Agent Zero's kinetic absorption powers he totally outclasses you in this department
The vibranium can be cut through. Kinetic absorbers can't take pointed attacks. Ala bishop can be stabbed by a normal human.
Vibranium anti-metal bullets can penetrate both your energy shield AND your armour
Except for the fact he can't aim a sniper rifle on a trampoline and he can't hit someone as fast as Shocktopus. That's what boosters are for, silly boy. 150mph in a halfsecond.
Anyone else? Scoob failed horribly.
Originally posted by long pig
Wrong. IF he wants the reaction speed of Deathlok, he will have to take the cybernetics along with it. It's like me saying I want wolverine's adamantium claws, but not his bones because it'll slow me down. Doesn't work.
rules clearly stated that ANYTHING was switchable except for strength... DL's mind was amped so ... wtf is this amalgam called?... either way, his mind is amped
Originally posted by long pig
You're right.
i know
Originally posted by long pig
Except for the fact that he has shown abilities rivaling Magneto's.
when? i've read quite a few of his appearances and i've never seen that.... wishful thinking on your part maybe?
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Originally posted by long pig
If he can lift trucks, he can repel a bullet.
don't avoid the point, i clearly said he never did anything like that when he didn't have time and space to use his powers... whenever he's been under direct attack he never does stuff like that
plus (and you may not have noticed) but bullets move a hell of a lot faster than trucks... and are much harder to see....by the time he realises a bullet has been fired it'll be too late for him to attempt to control it...... so your comparison is extremely weak and extremely flawed
Originally posted by long pig
He did have, at one point in time, a sniper rifle with anti-metal bullets.
Ever try shooting a sniper gun at a 150mph(Or whatever the limit is.) target on a trampoline while being hit with coils and lasers? Neither has he.
and he has those bullets here.... i doubt he has ever tried that on a tramp... just like you've never tried to avoid being shot while on a tramp.... but it's not exactly hard to stop yourself from bouncing on a trampoline if you want to
Originally posted by long pig
Actually, both can be used to Ionize metal.
and the type you use will be absorbed by the suit.... therefor even if he does have an electronic component in his head...you can't get to it
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Originally posted by long pig
Read the part where he says "I now have control over ALL electricity" Then read the part where Lady Ock is a genius in the field of electronics and robotics and physics.
whatever... vibranium still absorbs energy
Originally posted by long pig
In movement and reaction I am superior. Since his mind is cybernetic, I'll cut it off, if it isn't, he's slower. I'm in a win win situation.
you can't... the vibranium would absorb any electrical fields you attempt to insert into his head (but i'd also still argue the non-cybernetic thing.... either way works)
Originally posted by long pig
Also, try to comprehend that Speedfreek can move faster than you can see, then add Electro amping those stats even further, then add Snap amping it all even further.
that's still below Deathlok's reaction time... so seeing you and aiming at you wont be a problem
Originally posted by long pig
Lady Ock's tentacles are stronger than USAgent by themselves, you know this. Then add a suit of armor than gives the wearer more strength and Electro inside it amping himself to 10+ tons.
if Electro powers himself too much he could short out the circuitry in the arms... and Ock's force field
but the arms aren't too much of a threat...Plasma, laser beams, missiles, anti-metal bullets and an adamantium knife backed by superhuman strength that can cut through them... lotsa options to take out the tentacles
Originally posted by long pig
I'm double his strength anyway you cut it.
i cut it with an adamantium knife.... and Agent's strength can be multiplied tenfold.... so that brings him up to around 100 tons
Originally posted by long pig
USAgent's body is slightly above normal, Wolverine cut him up on accident.
maybe it was when he first appeared... but in recent years he's been upgraded to class 10 level strength
"Strength Level: Due to treatment by the Power Broker, the U.S. Agent possesses superhuman strength enabling him to lift (press) roughly ten tons."
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/u/usagent.htm
Originally posted by long pig
The vibranium can be cut through. Kinetic absorbers can't take pointed attacks. Ala bishop can be stabbed by a normal human.
yeah the suit can be cut... not easily though... you still have to get past his shields (both energy and vibranium), kinetic absorbers still absorb some energy from pointed attacks... that plus his kevlar means he'll be hard to hurt
of course you'd still have to get past the shield and weaponry before this even became an issue
Originally posted by long pig
Except for the fact he can't aim a sniper rifle on a trampoline and he can't hit someone as fast as Shocktopus. That's what boosters are for, silly boy. 150mph in a halfsecond.
the anti-metal bullets are in a machine gun, he can stop bouncing easily and with Deathlok's mind he can quite easily keep up with, and hit, anyone of your speed... boosters only give you a temporary escape.... and it only takes one bullet to get through to finish this
Originally posted by long pig
Anyone else? Scoob failed horribly.
check again... your "cyborg mind = shocky winning" argument has been squished... to reiterate... either:
ability swap (as per the whole point of the tourney)
or
Vibranium suit absorbing the electrical fields you hoped could penetrate any electronic components
your trucks = bullets argument is laughable
falling back on your strength puts you at a disadvantage
and your movement speed is still within Deathlok's ability to follow and target
in fact, if you over-use Electro's powers you could very well incapacitate yourself by shorting out your arms and then trapping yourself in them by electrostaticly sticking them to your own body
ok.... i had to get that out of my system.... i doubt i'll argue anymore (unless Long Pig says anything directed at me rather than the amalgam)
Digi.... sorry.... but you knew that someone was bound to do it at some point.... and with people voting already without hearing ANY points made (you know who you are) i felt Dr.SH's guy should at least get a defence
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How come the weirdest, most one-sided matches get the most attention?
In the last match, jinzin seemed to be roadkill, what with Siryn on the other side. And yet, despite this, the thread reached at least twice as many pages as the other fight.
And here, one of the contestants hasn't even showed up yet, and this thread is also smoking the other match.
Originally posted by Scoobless
rules clearly stated that ANYTHING was switchable except for strength... DL's mind was amped so ... wtf is this amalgam called?... either way, his mind is amped
when? i've read quite a few of his appearances and i've never seen that.... wishful thinking on your part maybe?
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don't avoid the point, i clearly said he never did anything like that when he didn't have time and space to use his powers... whenever he's been under direct attack he never does stuff like that
Electro is Spiderman's most powerful enemy, but what's the point of being Spiderman if you die as soon as Electro pops in?
plus (and you may not have noticed) but bullets move a hell of a lot faster than trucks... and are much harder to see....by the time he realises a bullet has been fired it'll be too late for him to attempt to control it...... so your comparison is extremely weak and extremely flawed
Four or five 10 ton trucks>>>>>>>>>Bullets.
If he can ionize shrapnel and trucks, bullets aren't a problem. Speed doesn't mean shit when it hits a wall of electrically charged air ionizing it on the spot.
vibranium still absorbs energy
you can't... the vibranium would absorb any electrical fields you attempt to insert into his head (but i'd also still argue the non-cybernetic thing.... either way works)
Vibranium suit absorbing the electrical fields you hoped could penetrate any electronic components
your trucks = bullets argument is laughable
Which is also funny.
in fact, if you over-use Electro's powers you could very well incapacitate yourself by shorting out your arms and then trapping yourself in them by electrostaticly sticking them to your own body
Scoob loses. 😆
Originally posted by long pig
He's using a cyborg's electronic mind.
I think the mind and the brain are different. The brain is the physical. The mind is the consciousness, experience, memory, thought, intelligence, knowledge... etc. So I think the cybernetic enhancements on the amalgam should work whether or not the cybernetic implants are there.
It's like saying Shocktopus using Electro's physical brain along with his body. One could argue that the tentacles shouldn't work because it's Electro's brain and not Doc Ock's.
Originally posted by long pig
Four or five 10 ton trucks>>>>>>>>>Bullets.
in weight, obviously.... and if you can show even one single instance of Electro ever repelling shrapnel coming at him from 50 feet at hundreds of miles per hour.... then you might have an argument..... but if you can't then you're clearly talking out of your excrement exit hole
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Originally posted by long pig
Only vibrations, never anything else. Hence the name VIBRAnium.
meh.... doesn't matter... shutting down the mind is a one hit kill (or disable) so it's not allowed.... and he still has the energy field in place....
Originally posted by grey fox
Very true , although i like the idea of shocktopus pressing agent of deaths off button.
which is clearly against tourney rules
Originally posted by K Von Doom
I think the mind and the brain are different. The brain is the physical. The mind is the consciousness, experience, memory, thought, intelligence, knowledge... etc. So I think the cybernetic enhancements on the amalgam should work whether or not the cybernetic implants are there.It's like saying Shocktopus using Electro's physical brain along with his body. One could argue that the tentacles shouldn't work because it's Electro's brain and not Doc Ock's.
or that Electro's powers would kill Speed Freak.... which they would
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Actually, there was no one hit kill rule that I know of. I just said there was when KVD tried to use one on me. 😈
About the mind thing.
For you to say he gets the benifets of cybernetic implants WITHOUT actually having the implants is a kin to me saying: I want SpeedFreek's armor, but I don't want the metal, so, I'm just going to say my skin is as strong as the metal armor.
I think the mind and the brain are different. The brain is the physical. The mind is the consciousness, experience, memory, thought, intelligence, knowledge... etc.
He can have all the memories of Deathlok, but without the implants, he doesn't get any speed boost.