Yeah, thought that was pretty lulzy.
Anyway, I would say that "average" Jedi would defeat an "average" Space Marine without much difficulty. Considering the Ultramarines would be outnumbered 2 or 3 to one, I'd say they'd end up losing.
Pappa Smurf and Cato Sicarius would wreck untold amounts of Jedi though.
Originally posted by NemeBroIs that because his mother is so sexy that even before they get to the f*cking, you'd just premature ejaculate all over her? Trust me, I've been there.
Sidious, Vitiate, Nihilus, Luke, Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Vader, and Chewbacca working together would have to put forth a mighty effort to beat an Imperial Conscript, if the Conscript was naked and just got done ****ing your mother (A mighty feat for anyone, I know).
Originally posted by NemeBroAotC Anakin would kill Magnus the Red in a fight.
Sidious, Vitiate, Nihilus, Luke, Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Vader, and Chewbacca working together would have to put forth a mighty effort to beat an Imperial Conscript, if the Conscript was naked and just got done ****ing your mother (A mighty feat for anyone, I know).
Alright. So the main difficulty in this is the Space Marine vs. Jedi. While I must condede that a lightsaber may penetrate the armour of a Space Marine with a stab, a slash would most likely glance off. Their armour is mostly made of ceramite, which conducts virtually no heat. The lightsaber cannot deflect bolter rounds, and most likely is that the molten slag of the bolter round would continue through the lightsaber and kill the Jedi. The chances of a Jedi killing a Space Marine with a stab (to even the face) without getting punched to death are extremely rare.
Space Marines have a second heart, instant blood clotting, acidic spit (that has melted through solid steel doors with time), can gain memories and knowledge by eating an enemy's flesh, can sleep appr. 4 hours a day (or sleep specific parts of the brain at a time) and many other insanely powerful feats. But most importantly, their reflexes are superhuman, even with armour. The Black Carapiece helps immensly in allowing them to interface and communicate directly with their armour. While they have only basic protection against the Warp/force, a force choke would take about 20 minutes to actually kill them as they can survive for long periods of time in the vacumn of space.
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Most importantly, Clone Troopers caught the Jedi Temple off guard and slaughtered most of them. What's stopping the Space Marines in doing the same job, but even faster? And even so, I haven't STARTED on tanks, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Psykers (Disable machinery on the Republic side) and worse.
As for Magnus the Red vs AOTC Anakin, Magnus the Red would win, stomp style. First, he is a PRIMARCH. I'd say an Assault Terminator could take on Anakin.
Magnus the Red is a psyker. So if you read the psyker power on one of the last posts, you would know that psyker vs force user, Magnus would stomp.
He is a DAEMON PRINCE. By that, he is immortal. You kill him, he "respawns" in the Warp. I'd say Magnus would rape Darth Tyrannus, who beat up both Obiwan and Anakin.
Flamers kill Space Marines and melt their power armor.
Meltaguns and plasma guns tear right through even Terminator armor like it's wet paper. I'm not convinced that a lightsaber would bounce off of power armor.
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The clones outnumbered the Jedi a dozen to one, and were lead by Anakin Skywalker. As well, the clones, and Anakin, were considered allies right up until the moment they started slaughtering everyone. The Ultramarines won't have that advantage.
Double edit- I know Magnus would beat up the majority of Star Wars characters (though he would lose to Luke). Nemebro and I are gay lovers irl, and we frequently make outlandish claims in an attempt to antagonize one another.
See, but the thing you don't understand is the SCALE of the universes. Plasma in Star Wars (blasters) don't seem to do much. Space Marine plasma pistols have been quoted to detonate with the heat of a SMALL SUN. Lightsabers have been known to glance of tank armour in Star Wars. That seems relatively close to Space Marine amour.
Flamers in 40k are based on promethium, something like napalm that sticks to a person. And even so, clones would have their plastic armour melted right off by it, and jedi would too. So even if Space Marines fall to their own weapons, the Star Wars flamethrowers wouldn't be effective enough to stop a Space Marine. Before the Space Marine puts a bolt in the clone.
"The Meltagun is a short-ranged weapon that produces an intense, energetic beam of heat energy in the tens of thousands of degrees Centigrade." (Quote on meltaguns from 40k. So don't attack me on the weakness of Space Marine armour)
As for the element of surprise, the Space Marines come from the Warp slightly beyond the planet's atmosphere. Giving the Jedi and clones about 10 minutes because of the drop pods that carry tactical marines, and teleportation from Terminators.
Next thing. A primarch's psyker powers are beyond any homan other than the Emperor. Magnus was specifally a PSYKER, not as much a warrior. He would look at Luke and channel the God of Change's power into Luke, and he would pop.
I didn't say that the heat would be greater, but you have to consider: ten of thousand of degrees Centigrade. That's more than enough. And the lightsaber is a melee weapon, it would be like comparing it to a power sword. But the issue is that power weapons: "capable of disrupting the molecular bonds of matter when it strikes" which is better than a lightsaber because it takes more time to cut open a steel door.
Moreover, why the hell do we even need to hit the Jedi Temple? Just raid the Chancellor's office and drag him out. The jump packs on the assault marines and teleportation on psykers/terminators should do quite nicely.
Oh that. While Power armour does resist most forms of heat. And:
"Power Armour is an advanced form of powered combat armour, worn primarily by the Space Marines and the Chaos Space Marines. It is a completely enclosed suit of combat armour composed of shaped Adamantium and Plasteel plates, encased in a Ceramite ablative layer. Each suit possesses a full suite of life-support functions for operation in hostile environments, an automated medicae system to provide some level of first aid to a wounded wearer and a highly advanced and fully integrated tactical targeting and threat analysis system known as Auto-senses."
"Power Armour is fully sealed, isolating the wearer from the outside environment and protecting him from chemical and/or biological weapons and toxic atmospheres."
Now you wonder about the adamantium plates. They may prove to be a nuiscance. And even though a lightsaber may pierce power armour, nothing proves that a squad of 10 marines covering each other back to back would let Jedi even come close enough to stab/slash.