I repeat the same arguments because the same arguments are being repeated to me ... it gives me no pleasure to repeat for the 100th time, that what Shmi did, goes beyond a simple " good turn " .... and that the way the character of Padme has been built, she would have never stood for someone, who was indirectly responsible the freedom of her, and her people ... an entire planet ... living the rest of her life as a slave ... she would have tried everything possible to free her of that ( whether, as a free woman, Shmi decided to continue living on Tattoine or elsewhere is besides the point ) .... furthermore ... if one buys a slave belonging to someone else, and uses that person as a slave for oneself, than one may be accused of indulging in the slave trade .... but freeing a slave of slavery by paying the slave owner whatever he demanded ( whether money, or something else ) DOES NOT CONSTITUTE TRAFFICKING IN SLAVES. If that were so, Qui Gon Jinn is a slave trafficker.
And to say that that would be morally wrong ... because you either free all slaves or none at all, and to only free one would be incorrect, is fallacious ... how can you equate Shmi with the rest of the slaves .... or to put it another way, how can you not treat Shmi as a special case ....
and the point is ... Padme, being the kind of person she is ... would do EXACTLY that .... which she doesn't ... and that's a loose end in the story.
Padme should have done in the same situation, which Anakin knows is the right thing to do. But the fact is, she would not. Love has compromised her judgment.
So according to Obi Wan, Padme would heed the call of duty first and put her personal emotions aside. Ditto with Anakin ... but, you feel free to interprete this exchange in your own way, and say that both these characters are speaking from a state of mistaken judgement ... and in fact in the same situation she WOULD follow her emotions ... and I'm supposed to accept your interpretation ... and ignore what the guy who wrote the scripts wants to convey to me, about the character of Padme, through this conversation between the two characters ?
I think not ... it IS an inconsistency that a person of such a strong sense of duty would not inform the jedi council of Anakin's actions ( and the suggestion, that she doesn't fully comprehend the seriousness and the portent of his actions is ludicruous .... she's not a girl of 5 ! )
It IS an inconsistency, that a person of a large and grateful heart
would make absolutely no effort whatsover to secure freedom from slavery, for a person who is indirectly responsible for her life and freedom, and for the life and freedom of a whole planet she lives on and its people whom she loves .... especially when that person happens to be a woman fast approaching old age ... who practically has no family,because her only son is now far away from her, training to be a jedi.
Oh Master Harmax dont even bother anymore! You wont get anything through these people's thick heads! It's a shame their too naive to realize their utterly and hopelessly dead wrong about Shmi.
I think my topic has *Eric Cartman Voice* warped their fragile little minds!!
*Eric Cartman Voice*
Well Leia's mom she's a big fat bitch, she's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world, she's a stupid bitch if their ever was a bitch, she's a bitch to all the boys and girls.....................
Well Leia's mom she's a big fat bitch, she's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world, she's a stupid bitch if their ever was a bitch, she's a bitch to all the boys and girls.....................
Sorry Tex ... but as far as that is concerned ... agree with you I do not .... and agree with you being offensive like that, I do not.
I agree with what you say, in terms of looking at it as a loose end in the arc of the story ... but, as for being offensive and profane like that ... you're on your own, mate.
No, it's just your inability to understand how love works has made you think this is all an error when it isn't. And I have no idea by what stretch of the imagination you don;t think buying a slave's freedom is not slave trafficking. It is payng money into an illegal system to procures ervices. In real life that is considered slave trafficking and it certainly would be in Star Wars as well.
And yes, Qu-Gon DID illegally involve himself when he freed Anakin. As I pointed out, Qui-Gon is a renegade, and even so he only did it because he believed that the future of the galaxy dependd on the boy. Those wee the stakes he was playing for! But that's also the sort of person he is, unlike a responsbile head of state like Padme.
And you MUST equate Shmi with the rest of the slaves. FOr a start, she did not help the others because she expected to be freed, she helped them because it was the right thing to do. That makes her a good person. It does not give her any special rights! ALL the slaves, I repeat, deserve to be freed, whether they have helped Padme or not.
And Padme, being the responsbile person she is, would not involve herself in the mire of legality by illegally freeing Shmi. As the person she is who fervently beleives in the Republic, she woulkd attempot to improve the Republic to the point where the Tatooine slave trade would be stamped out. A far more reasonable way to work.
And if you haven't noticed the extent to which Anakin and Amidala are compromising their judgment because of their love for each other, no matter what Obi-Wan says, then I am very sure that you have COMPLETELY missd the point of the script, though I note you are happy to be choosy when it comes to beleiving what the script says because the TPM script makes it very clear that Shmi is happy to stay on Tatooine and you seem to want to ignore that.
There is not the remotest inconsistency here except for people who are deliberately trying to create one.