Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Corporations are essential to the American way of life. Their existance is the result of the capitolistic sensability. To remove them, is to remove democracy.
I think the problem is the classification of an entity as a person unrestrained by the 'moral' behaviour that governs our lives. When this type of attitude is coupled with extreme power, the result is overwhelming.
The rest of what you posted is very interesting, but ultimately it is a flight of fancy in an autocratic corporate world.
In regards to corporations being a necessarry evil to support democracy, I'd like to supply you with some level-headed sensationalism (oxymoron intended...):
Opel - aka GM Motors - colluded with Nazi Germany before AND during the war. As did Ford...
Coca Cola invented Orange Fanta to supply to Germany, so it could continue making profits while millions of people were killed.
IBM supplied the 'punch-card system' - which was specialised to suit each customer - to Nazi Germany, so they could keep track of all the Jews and homosexuals they were killing. I'm not making this up.
More recently, we have the example of the Bechtel Corporation gaining control of the water supply of Bolivia. This included them being able to make it illegal for the residents to collect rain water.
So, it would seem that fascism and corporations are better bed-fellows
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
In regards to corporations being a necessarry evil to support democracy...I'd like to supply you with some level-headed sensationalism (oxymoron intended...):Opel - aka GM Motors - colluded with Nazi Germany before AND during the war. As did Ford...
Coca Cola invented Orange Fanta to supply sell to Germany, so it could continue making profits while millions of people were killed.
IBM supplied the 'punch-card system' - which was specialised to suit each customer - to Nazi Germany, so they could keep track of all the Jews and homosexuals they were killing. I'm not making this up.
More recently, we have the example of the Bechtel Corporation gaining control of the water supply of Bolivia. This included them being able to make it illegal for the residents to collect rain water.
So, it would seem that fascism and corporations are better bed-fellows
Yup good illustrations and I love how everyone loves to berate. Yet corporations help establish modern Japan and brought alot of other things that are positive.
I don't really see how one can call corporations "evil"......I mean I find that just as bad a generalization as saying all "humans" are "evil". Corporations are not evil by themself if at all (pretending here that there actually is something caleed "evil"😉 the people who lead it are "evil".
As for the examples...what aboot this on...Bayer a German Corporation researched Aspirin (wel it was kind of known before but anyways) and made it available for the broad public.....
Now can one just say because of that exaple that all corporations are "good"?
Another problem I see is that if something we consider "evil" happens we blame the corporations while if something "good" happens we praise the people working for the corporations.....
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Noone is proposing to get rid of the corporations - but to control them better. Poluting water, and air, selling unsafe products is exploitation and murder in the name of profit.
Frankly this wouldn't be the case if more coporations dealt buisness like Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has to be near the largest example of free-trade and what power it can give a buisness then anyone.. But Wal-Mart has a strict code of conduct it follows to the T, so you never hear complaints about them. Well, exsept from moochers trying to get attention and a profit. But that happens everywhere..
So, has anyone - apart from me - actually seen this documentary? It gives an excellent insight into the mind of a CEO and the 'person' it is part of. If you're interested in corporate responsibility - or lack thereof - then I'd recommend it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't really see how one can call corporations "evil"......I mean I find that just as bad a generalization as saying all "humans" are "evil". Corporations are not evil by themself if at all (pretending here that there actually is something caleed "evil"😉 the people who lead it are "evil".As for the examples...what aboot this on...Bayer a German Corporation researched Aspirin (wel it was kind of known before but anyways) and made it available for the broad public.....
Now can one just say because of that exaple that all corporations are "good"?
Another problem I see is that if something we consider "evil" happens we blame the corporations while if something "good" happens we praise the people working for the corporations.....
I think the relatively few examples of 'good' corporate behaviour serve only as exceptions that prove the rule that the majority of them are humanity-raping psychopaths.
I've just finished watching 'Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room'. It's not as entertaining as 'The Corporation', but it does provide a perfect real-life example of a corporation acting like a psychopath.
The California energy crisis situation alone marks them down as bad, bad people. Then, when you couple that with Lay's close relationship with ol' Dubya - Lay was mooted for the position of Secretary of Energy(!) - and his meetings with Arnie prior to his election to office, you've got yourself a huge, stinking example of the shit at the heart of the ol' US of A.
you know what is interesting.
USA has that infamous ''three strikes and you're out'' thing. So when economically disadvantaged, usually black people get into trouble 3 times they are behind the bars forever.
But corporations can kill thousands of people, and they can do it 17 times over and all they will get a slap on the wrist and a few million to pay....
Hmmm...crime in the streets cannot compare to the crime in the suits.
(ha? ha? did you like that? Crime in the streets vs crime in the suits! Clever bitchiness! boo-ya! K, im done)