The Hall of Villainy

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Actually, if he was smart he would have killed Yoda himself and not relied on Clone Troopers to do it. He also would have had tighter defense surrounding himself considering a possible retaliation effort by the jedi. Sidious if anything was overconfidant and left himself open, which was stupid. And when he realized that Yoda was there and Yoda could whup his ass, he tried to flee.

luke, " your over confidance is your weakness."

sids, "your faith in your friends is yours."

presisely Deus EX

Palpatine is an extreme coward. He attempted to flee when Yoda came to confront him. Now, I will say he is not a complete coward, as he did stay and fight Yoda when he simply could've run off eventually. He is like a cornered dog. Still very dangerous and very strong. And I think you said it correct when Palpatine's 'mastery' of the Force is greater than Dooku's, Deus.

But as for Yoda 'whuppin his ass', I will disagree. Yoda didn't get close. But neither did Palpatine.

Well, if they were powdered up and in a ring with a pair of sticks, Yoda would whup some ass.

If you mean in a close-quarter lightsaber ring, where it is clear that Yoda has the obvious advantage in terms of speed and overall dueling ability, I will also agree. But put Yoda in an environment with NO blade combat, he'd lose.

Palpatine caught Yoda off guard twice during the duel. First, when he landed the first blow in the chamber, and when he blasted Yoda's saber from his hands. They say 'if you can do it once, you can do it again.'

If Yoda slips up, and he is knocked down, like he did in the chamber, Palpatine would've lit him up like a Christmas tree. Likewise, Palpatine really ought to get out of his usual reckless fighting stance and the usual tendancy to gloat.

Such loooong comments. You know Sidious was the baddest.

Well, I think he embodies evil in its fullest. But Star Wars is home to a lot of villains. So far, however, he has been mentioned the most. Traya is a second.

Also, I was a bit interested at the comments regarding Revan. Do we have anything concrete to compare him to? Afterall, he is, in reality, a customizable video game character.

We can infer a few things about his personality from what other people say about him.

Originally posted by Escape81
Palpatine is an extreme coward. He attempted to flee when Yoda came to confront him. Now, I will say he is not a complete coward, as he did stay and fight Yoda when he simply could've run off eventually. He is like a cornered dog. Still very dangerous and very strong. And I think you said it correct when Palpatine's 'mastery' of the Force is greater than Dooku's, Deus.

But as for Yoda 'whuppin his ass', I will disagree. Yoda didn't get close. But neither did Palpatine.

Yoda didn't get close? What the hell? Yoda had Sidious about to run out of his office and had him give a sad face, okay? Yoda was DAMN close.

No. Not really. He got close to 'beating' him. But not to a pathetic degree like what people have tried to make it out to be. Deus was picking, but there are a lot who have seriously tried to make it look like Yoda owned Palpatine. This isn't the case.

Yeah, am I like the only one who thought it was close but Sids had the slight advantage?

Lightsaber wise? Yoda won it. He successfully disarmed Sidious. Force wise? Well, when Yoda absorbed that last blast and actually reveresed its flow like that convinced me that Yoda is -very- capable of deal with Sidious via a Force war. Perhaps the only person who is capable. However, Sidious had one advantage and that was the environment. He held the high ground, which apparently gives you r0x00rz points, as it did Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Escape81
No. Not really. He got close to 'beating' him. But not to a pathetic degree like what people have tried to make it out to be. Deus was picking, but there are a lot who have seriously tried to make it look like Yoda owned Palpatine. This isn't the case.

Sidious didn't do that much damage either. They basically were balanced with the Lightsaber fight throughout the match. Then Sidious decided to go higher to throw pods at Yoda, which I find pretty stupid. Then Yoda confronts him again and Sidious blasts him with Lightning. Yoda deflects it and blasts it back at Sidious and launches himself off the platform. Out little green fellow falls over fifty feet at the bottom and probably doesn't wanna continue fighting after falling that far and then he bolts.

Originally posted by Sorgo
Sidious didn't do that much damage either. They basically were balanced with the Lightsaber fight throughout the match. Then Sidious decided to go higher to throw pods at Yoda, which I find pretty stupid. Then Yoda confronts him again and Sidious blasts him with Lightning. Yoda deflects it and blasts it back at Sidious and launches himself off the platform. Out little green fellow falls over fifty feet at the bottom and probably doesn't wanna continue fighting after falling that far and then he bolts.

If you're comparing him to the duel with Dooku, then I disagree. You see, (and I'm not accusing you) I have seen people dictate all the time how much Dooku dominates his master. While I disagree, I can also offer proof. Dooku -never- touched Yoda. Palpatine did, and in terms of 'damage', it was harder than Yoda hit him. Palpatine nailed him and it nearly did knock Yoda unconscious. Yoda did recover and Force-pushed Palpatine across the room, but Palpatine nearly instantly recovered.

And as for Palpatine shifting the fight to 'pods', it makes sense. You just said it. They were balanced with swords. Palpatine's goal was to survive the fight. So that would require either escaping, or knocking out Yoda, or killing him. If they weren't making progress with the blades, he'd try to tip the odds firmly in his favor.

Which were his intentions.

Originally posted by Escape81
If you're comparing him to the duel with Dooku, then I disagree. You see, (and I'm not accusing you) I have seen people dictate all the time how much Dooku dominates his master. While I disagree, I can also offer proof. Dooku -never- touched Yoda. Palpatine did, and in terms of 'damage', it was harder than Yoda hit him. Palpatine nailed him and it nearly did knock Yoda unconscious. Yoda did recover and Force-pushed Palpatine across the room, but Palpatine nearly instantly recovered.

And as for Palpatine shifting the fight to 'pods', it makes sense. You just said it. They were balanced with swords. Palpatine's goal was to survive the fight. So that would require either escaping, or knocking out Yoda, or killing him. If they weren't making progress with the blades, he'd try to tip the odds firmly in his favor.

Which were his intentions.

And he failed his intentions.

If Dooku lost to Yoda, And Sidious won over Yoda (Not saying that's what happened, using an example), do you really think this means that Sidious could defeat Dooku? Because he faced an opponent that defeated his current objective?

Let's elminate the circumstances from the Dooku fight.

Anakin killed Dooku, but Dooku totally served Kenobi. Does this mean Anakin can kill Kenobi? Wait a minute.... zOMG! KENOBI DEFEATED ANAKIN! TOO LATE!

Yoda knocked HIMSELF. Watch the movie again. He absorbs Sidious' lightning, blasts it back at him and Yoda's own tremendous power knocks him down to the Senate Floor. Before Yoda did this, did you see the expression on Sidious' face? Not a very victorious one.

Palpatine's objectives were to survive the fight and continue the Empire. He did. Yoda's objective was to kill Palpatine. He did not. Yoda failed and lost.

Palpatine nailed Yoda during the initial salvo in the chamber below the Senate. YOU are referring to the end of the battle, where they were ripped apart from each other.

I am not.

Originally posted by Escape81
Palpatine's objectives were to survive the fight and continue the Empire. He did. Yoda's objective was to kill Palpatine. He did not. Yoda failed and lost.

Palpatine nailed Yoda during the initial salvo in the chamber below the Senate. YOU are referring to the end of the battle, where they were ripped apart from each other.

I am not.

Yes, and Yoda picked his ass right back up and threw Sidious into a Chair. That would be the part where Sidious tries to run away.

Again. This is more damage than Dooku has ever done to Yoda, and Sidious's blow was stronger than Yoda's response to it.

Originally posted by Escape81
Again. This is more damage than Dooku has ever done to Yoda, and Sidious's blow was stronger than Yoda's response to it.

I don't think so. Sidious flew farther than Yoda did.

You didn't see Yoda trying to flee after he got shocked, by Sidious sure as hell tried to run when he got blasted across the room.

Dooku? He is irrelevant. We are talking of Yoda and Sidious.

Well, by that notion, Sidious's Force lightning is stronger than Dooku's. He threw Mace farther than Dooku threw Anakin. You argued about the 'point blank range' ordeal. Same thing. Palpatine walked up close to Yoda, and Yoda pushed him back. When Palpatine nailed Yoda, he was farther away.

Secondly, Sorgo, recount. Take the time that Yoda was lying on his ass and compare it to when Palpatine is the same.

You will find a very noticeable difference.

Originally posted by Escape81
Well, by that notion, Sidious's Force lightning is stronger than Dooku's. He threw Mace farther than Dooku threw Anakin. You argued about the 'point blank range' ordeal. Same thing. Palpatine walked up close to Yoda, and Yoda pushed him back. When Palpatine nailed Yoda, he was farther away.

Secondly, Sorgo, recount. Take the time that Yoda was lying on his ass and compare it to when Palpatine is the same.

You will find a very noticeable difference.

Sidious had to charge his Lightning to blast Mace out of the window. Not to mention, his figners where shaking like crazy.

Dooku barely moved his hand and fried Anakin's ass all the way into a nearby wall. If there was no wall there, imagine how far he could have gone, Escape.

Sidious also used a concentration of Lightning. Yoda used push.

Sidious ALSO tried to run his ass out of the office. Doesn't that say something?