God or Science?

Originally posted by willRules
You force 2 children to behave. They both behave. You give 2 children the choice to behave or not. One doesn't behave, the other does. The child who chose to behave has learnt a greater lesson than any of them. this Child has not only learnt it is wrong not to behave but has also made it through his/her own decision.

Now replace that story with god teaching Humans not to sin. He didn't force us because we would be robots then...........

Both children are part of the family, and rather they do right or wrong they are still part of the family.

A famous Christian song says "I was lost and dirty yet you found me, stained by sin yet you have cleasned me, can it be Im precious in your sight?"

We are always saying why is there sin and a loving God? Why do we suffer? We forget what God has done for us, Its just a matter of accepting it in my opinion..............

Originally posted by willRules
...We are always saying why is there sin and a loving God?...

I never ask this question.

ok but many do.........

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Both children are part of the family, and rather they do right or wrong they are still part of the family.

That's kinda a good analogy...and coming from you yet... 😛

And how do you expect me to believe there is some fat, almighty, loving, and torturing, guy with his white hair blowing around, sitting somewhere up in the atmosphere, sending lightning bolts down to earth, creating humans, while he sits up there in a cloud sipping ambrosia and nectar...

Yeah, okay...

You have now gone officially insane...

🙁 ❌ 😐 🤨

There isn't a voyeuristic god and Satan....We are part of the process and thus we are the ones...everything included...The more we will learn about some science fields, the more we will understand the properties at work.

Originally posted by DrDoom101

. Also, if God really existed, then why would there be so much sin in this world? Couldnt God just get rid of the sins? Why did God create terrorists, serial killers, and other evil people? Science has explained almost everything for a long, long time

God Gave Man free will.

Originally posted by Dirk Jade
God Gave Man free will.

Please define free will.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please define free will.

OK free will means.....Hey Mister "Will" I get it for "Free?" 🙄

Originally posted by debbiejo
OK free will means.....Hey Mister "Will" I get it for "Free?" 🙄

I never asked you. 😛

Free Will means That no man can Absolutly controll you. You will always have the ability to think what you want say what you want do what you want under normal circumstances. if your legs are busted yea well you dont have the ability to walk. No man can stop you from trying though.

Originally posted by Dirk Jade
Free Will means That no man can Absolutly controll you. You will always have the ability to think what you want say what you want do what you want under normal circumstances. .

Originally posted by DrDoom101
Which side are you on?

Do you believe in God, or do you believe science is the answer to everything?

Long ago, the Egyptians thought that rainstorms and thunderstorms are signs that show their gods are angry. Science says the water cycle. Everything in this world has an explanation. Why is the sky blue? because god made it that way? no. THere's been answers to almost everything in this world. Also, if God really existed, then why would there be so much sin in this world? Couldnt God just get rid of the sins? Why did God create terrorists, serial killers, and other evil people? Science has explained almost everything for a long, long time

1. God, works with science, seeing as he made it. He doesn't always use the weather, he let's it go natural usually/science. The only science I don't believe in is science which has no proof/Evolution/Big Bang.

2. He has already tried to warn us, he isn't going to force us to believe, and he isn't going to force the sin out of us because it wouldn't be fair. He didn't create the murderers etc to be murderers, they made themselves those things.

3. Why is the sky blue? Because god made science make it blue. And the answers to the universe won't be found through negative thoughts
I'll tell you now.

God: You're special, important, and protected(most likely if you believe)
If the earth exploded someone would care, and would make sure he changes the past for us all.
No God: The earth can blow up and nobody would give a damn, not even the aliens which are supposedly more smarter than us.

This is a never ending argument, people who believe have reason to believe.

People who dont believe wish not to believe because there is no absolute proof. But if there was absolute proof it would contradict the very reason God made man in the first place.

If God showed himself and made himself apparent to everyone on earth then who wouldnt serve him? Creator of the universe Father to mankind who wants nothing but to love his creation, hard offer to pass up.

God created man because he wanted something that would have fellowship with him out of free will, not because we had too. God already had angels but angels have no choice but to serve God.

God wanted to create a being that loved him out of their own free will and had faith enough that he existed, and im not saying that God is completely void from humankind. He shows himself in different ways, ways that dont make sense to the carnal mind.

The Bible states that because of free will there will always be those who dont believe and doubt that God exists.

For those of us who read and believe God's word we know that there will be a day when life on this earth ceases and all that is left is Him. Many of us just want to bring as many as we can to meet him, those who refuse to believe.. In the end thats their choice.

Originally posted by SupezM'
This is a never ending argument, people who believe have reason to believe.

People who dont believe wish not to believe because there is no absolute proof. But if there was absolute proof it would contradict the very reason God made man in the first place.

If God showed himself and made himself apparent to everyone on earth then who wouldnt serve him? Creator of the universe Father to mankind who wants nothing but to love his creation, hard offer to pass up.

God created man because he wanted something that would have fellowship with him out of free will, not because we had too. God already had angels but angels have no choice but to serve God.

God wanted to create a being that loved him out of their own free will and had faith enough that he existed, and im not saying that God is completely void from humankind. He shows himself in different ways, ways that dont make sense to the carnal mind.

The Bible states that because of free will there will always be those who dont believe and doubt that God exists.

For those of us who read and believe God's word we know that there will be a day when life on this earth ceases and all that is left is Him. Many of us just want to bring as many as we can to meet him, those who refuse to believe.. In the end thats their choice.

Well said clapping

People who don’t believe wish not to believe because there is no absolute proof. But if there was absolute proof it would contradict the very reason God made man in the first place.

I don't know if I believe or not, but if I did, I would like there to be some evidence, just a bit. I see nothing wrong with absolute proof, and I really don't see how that would interfere with God's master plan.

God created man because he wanted something that would have fellowship with him out of free will, not because we had too. God already had angels but angels have no choice but to serve God.

God wanted to create a being that loved him out of their own free will and had faith enough that he existed, and im not saying that God is completely void from humankind. He shows himself in different ways, ways that don’t make sense to the carnal mind.

The Bible states that because of free will there will always be those who don’t believe and doubt that God exists.

So if God made himself known then we wouldn't have free will? Moses supposedly met God, in one form or another, as did Adam and Eve. And Noah. Did they loose their free will because they were provided with proof God existed?

And the concept that God just wants to be loved is all well and good, but does it hold up? First there is the whole "I'm a jealous God and if you don't believe in me, or believe in something else, you'll go to HELL!!!" How is that respecting our free will? If God just wanted us to FREELY love him why would he try to scare us into belief and faithfulness?

And really, he is God. All powerful, all loving. Why, in heaven’s name should we just be expected to have blind faith that he exist? To me it seems absurd that he wants total faith in him alone, without providing any proof what so ever to people - and love, friendship, it's a two way thing, for it to work, it has to be reciprocated - and I don't share any Godly love shining down on us, that I can say "Yep, that's my friend God doing that" - it seems one sided. So I will say, I think I would prefer it if I could say "Yes, I know God exists beyond a doubt, and I don't want to follow him" or "Yes, I know God exists beyond a doubt, and my faith is based upon fact, not just personal belief."

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I don't know if I believe or not, but if I did, I would like there to be some evidence, just a bit. I see nothing wrong with absolute proof, and I really don't see how that would interfere with God's master plan.
It's good to know you aren't saying "God doesn't exist"

So if God made himself known then we wouldn't have free will? Moses supposedly met God, in one form or another, as did Adam and Eve. And Noah. Did they loose their free will because they were provided with proof God existed?
He wishes us to believe in im without him having to show us his face, it shows our loyalty to him.

And the concept that God just wants to be loved is all well and good, but does it hold up? First there is the whole "I'm a jealous God and if you don't believe in me, or believe in something else, you'll go to HELL!!!" How is that respecting our free will? If God just wanted us to FREELY love him why would he try to scare us into belief and faithfulness?
How can we believe in him if he doesn't warn of punishment? It isn't Jealousy, it's a test to see if you are GOOD. If my father told me to do something I'd do it, and my father wouldn't want me to think he isn't my father. God would rather you keep a open mind instead of thinking "There is no god"

And really, he is God. All powerful, all loving. Why, in heaven’s name should we just be expected to have blind faith that he exist? To me it seems absurd that he wants total faith in him alone, without providing any proof what so ever to people - and love, friendship, it's a two way thing, for it to work, it has to be reciprocated - and I don't share any Godly love shining down on us, that I can say "Yep, that's my friend God doing that" - it seems one sided. So I will say, I think I would prefer it if I could say "Yes, I know God exists beyond a doubt, and I don't want to follow him" or "Yes, I know God exists beyond a doubt, and my faith is based upon fact, not just personal belief."
God puts signs down everyday, even now people are being saved because of prayers and god. The proof he has set is the Bible, if you can't trust it, well let's just say it's better to believe something that won't effect you than to not believe and face punishment (It mentions trust in the Bible)

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura

And the concept that God just wants to be loved is all well and good, but does it hold up? First there is the whole "I'm a jealous God and if you don't believe in me, or believe in something else, you'll go to HELL!!!" How is that respecting our free will? If God just wanted us to FREELY love him why would he try to scare us into belief and faithfulness?

God cannot allow sin into Heaven, simple as that. The very presence of God and sin has to leave. They are like Dark And Light, they cannot share the same space. Because of what Adam and Eve did in the garden of Eden man is cursed from the moment we are born into sin. We arnt held accountable the bible says until we are aware of the choices we make and the difference between right and wrong. Because God cannot allow sin into Heaven he sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for mankind so that we can be cleansed of sin.

In other words he loves his creation so much that he was willing to send his only son to die so that we could be with him when we pass from this earth.

He gives us the choice to choose this salvation, if we do not then we are left in sin and therefore cannot be with God.

God isnt trying to scare his creation into believing he is simply telling us that he wants to be with us but cannot if we are in Sin and because of Free Will it is our choice to redeem ourselves by choosing him over this earth.

Did you know that the same stories are told by predated religions of Christianity.....