Please enlighten me how they differ from the games story line! They are exactly the same! the only difference is the books actually tell you whats happening... the game just tell you to kill covenant... even if you don't want to accept it...
The game clearly tell you that he has been "bio-engineered and technologically enhanced for better reflexes, eyesight and coordination" Funny... you don't get to use many of those abilities in the game.... But it clearly tells you he has them... the books show you what was done to him and how his abilities work.
That was from the first halo game... this from the second..
"he is a genetically, biologically, and technically enhanced fighting unit. His reflexes are unmatched, his strength and endurance quite unlike any other human, and hi tenacity molded by a lifetime of conscripted military training. the master chief is proficient in all current ballistic weapons and tactics, incursion, and unarmed combat.
Funny.... Those little grunts can sometimes take a full punch or three from the same guy. And yet they can break a metal opening on a tank so thus
Master Chief > Tank?
Little inconsistant, wouldn't you think?
If Master Chief can punch through space age tank armor, shouldn't he be able to crush Covenant with each and every melee attack?
Covenant are stronger then normal humans... Elites are about the same strength as him, brutes are stronger....
Grunts die after 1/2 hits depending on the weapon... pistol wipping is not as strong and hitting with a rocket or bruteshot...
MC doesn't punch though a tank in 1 hit... it takes 2.
You got the book... page117 of "The fall of Reach" says he "punched at concrete targets - sgattering them."
Sgattering? Not sure about that.
In any case, the book is suspect as not being canon and until you can show me proof (An official comfirmation from the Bungie site would be a start) the book doesn't count.
Second, I find it hard to believe that Grunts are so hardcore that they can take even being hit by Master Chief. If his strength exceeds the minimum force needed to damage and eventually destroy tank armor as you suggest, it wouldn't make sense how he could not kill every enemy in game with one hit melee style and most certainly doesn't explain why he chooses to hit with a pistol or rifle butt over pure fists. IF his physical strength was truly that strong (Read: enough to damage a tank) he would not strike using a weapon since he would be strong enough without it and there's the chance he could BREAK HIS WEAPON.
There, does that make enough sense for you?
woops! I missed that when I was looking at the book to copy out of...
ok... Forget debating game mechanics and what not.... MC is stronger then normal humans by far....
I asked you before, and you didn't answer so I will ask again...
Do you think the books differ from the game in storyline or mc's abilities?
I would of thought the "The official prequel to the award-winning xbox game" line on the book cover gave you a hint....
this acknowledgments are all to bungies crew for helping him. and Eric S Trautmann for "providing background material, editing, reality checks"
Funny, Bungie seems to have forgotten the entire book when they made the game. Linda was also in stasis onboard the Pillar of Autumn. Didn't see her, did you?
Alright, so let's go with that then, despite the inconsistancy explicit in game compared to the book.
How does Master Chief win this battle? Or really, the battle I'm interested more in... how does Master Chief win against the entire cast of Soul Calibur? Considering you don't even know how many people are in Soul Calibur, how can you render a judgment?
And to answer you question, yes, I do think there's inconsistancy. For one thing, Master Chief can die immediately from a shotgun wound to the upper body once his shield wears down, despite the badassedness of hsi armor in book and his "ceramic" bones.
Second, Halo is depicted as being lower than earth gravity. In book the Spartans could jump to ridiculous heights, yet he can perhaps jump six and a half feet or so on Halo. They were also super geniuses, which isn't depicted in game. MC gets duped by the Controller in the first game.
Third, the book contradicts itself, as was pointed out. Reflexes are supposed to be instant and yet are 300X times his earlier reflexes before the operation. This doesn't pan out. More likely, instant is an exaggeration, and 300X is the real deal. In any case, is 300x reactions even possible, I wonder? Nerves as it is run faster than most car's top speeds... Would 300 times that even be feasible? Anyways... getting off topic...
There is no consistancy between the uber John in the book and the hardy Spartan we see in the game. If there is, show me what exactly.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Funny, Bungie seems to have forgotten the entire book when they made the game. Linda was also in stasis onboard the Pillar of Autumn. Didn't see her, did you?
Minor game mechanic... she could of been in another storage bay...
Originally posted by Deus Ex
And to answer you question, yes, I do think there's inconsistancy. For one thing, Master Chief can die immediately from a shotgun wound to the upper body once his shield wears down, despite the badassedness of hsi armor in book and his "ceramic" bones.
His suit was designed to be effective against plasma weaponry... his suit actually got downgraded against human weaponry and upgraded against plasma for halo 2....
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Second, Halo is depicted as being lower than earth gravity. In book the Spartans could jump to ridiculous heights, yet he can perhaps jump six and a half feet or so on Halo. They were also super geniuses, which isn't depicted in game. MC gets duped by the Controller in the first game..
He can jump over an elite.. at 8.6ft.. he can jump about 10ft I would say... they probably toned it down abit so you couldn't get out of bounds as much... or you would of jumped just about everywhere... how many times has batman fell for traps? Nobody knew what halo was(cept for cortana, who wasn't with MC at the time). MC was told it would kill all the flood so he complied, he was tricked by a super computer... its hardly shows hes stupid. Would you like MC to stop and talk science? or solve long equations in the game?
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Third, the book contradicts itself, as was pointed out. Reflexes are supposed to be instant and yet are 300X times his earlier reflexes before the operation. This doesn't pan out. More likely, instant is an exaggeration, and 300X is the real deal. In any case, is 300x reactions even possible, I wonder? Nerves as it is run faster than most car's top speeds... Would 300 times that even be feasible? Anyways... getting off topic...
as I pointed out to your friend... 300 times is the figure given for when hes outside of his suit... Hes MJOLNIR armor boosts this figure... and cortana boosts it even more. You have read the books, re-read them to find out I'm correct.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
There is no consistancy between the uber John in the book and the hardy Spartan we see in the game. If there is, show me what exactly.
The games can't utilise all of his abilities, how would it give you faster reactions? or better eyesight? his suit shows his strength. The fact he never tires when he runs around, from his muscular enhancements.. or that he stands 8ft tall, towering over normal humans.
Without the use of books, Can you tell me why every soldier doesn't have MC's armor? or perhaps how they found out where halo was?
Minor game mechanic... she could of been in another storage bay...
A game mechanic involves game play, not lack of certain things. And considering there is two stasis chambers side by side and dozens of others completely uninhabited all in that room and there is no evidence of another room on the ship, I'd say it's pretty well inconsistant in that regard.
His suit was designed to be effective against plasma weaponry... his suit actually got downgraded against human weaponry and upgraded against plasma for halo 2....
So you said it yourself. How does Master Chief's suit save him from the weapons of the Soul Calibur crew?
He can jump over an elite.. at 8.6ft.. he can jump about 10ft I would say... they probably toned it down abit so you couldn't get out of bounds as much... or you would of jumped just about everywhere...
This is true. It's closer to that. However, the out of suit jumping was pretty inconsistant with the strength of the Spartan. If they had the muscles to propel themselves.. how high up was it? Something ridiculous... This is beyond human capacity. Yet for all intents and purposes, MC doesn't act anything like someone who has that kind of agility and muscle capacity.
how many times has batman fell for traps? Nobody knew what halo was(cept for cortana, who wasn't with MC at the time). MC was told it would kill all the flood so he complied, he was tricked by a super computer... its hardly shows hes stupid. Would you like MC to stop and talk science? or solve long equations in the game?
I'd like MC to think like the tactical/mathematical genius he supposively is in the books, when he's just a silent type wiseass in the games. Smart people don't neccessarily have to talk smart, but they should -act- smart.
as I pointed out to your friend... 300 times is the figure given for when hes outside of his suit... Hes MJOLNIR armor boosts this figure... and cortana boosts it even more. You have read the books, re-read them to find out I'm correct.
And yet this is shown in no cutscenes in the game, nor references in the gaming manual nor anywhere else outside of Fall of Reach. And as to how fast his new reflexes are, I have yet to see. And really, does he
move so fast no one can hit him or something? Please.
The games can't utilise all of his abilities, how would it give you faster reactions? or better eyesight? his suit shows his strength. The fact he never tires when he runs around, from his muscular enhancements.. or that he stands 8ft tall, towering over normal humans.
Actually, he's only marginally taller than the Marines in game. Don't believe me? Play co-op and have one person stand next to a Marine. This is assuming his suit doesn't give him an ich or three with the heels.
Second, if Bungie planned to release and incorporate a book where the Master Chief has uber reflexes, speed, precision, brains, etc., they should go out of their way to show it, even if by cutscenes alone. Hell, F.E.A.R. has special character slow-mo. If MC -really- moved that fast the entire game would be exactly like that.
And it would raise the bar on the reflexes of everyone in question, since Master Chief reacts about the same as Marines do in game and elites. Do they have uber skilz too?
Without the use of books, Can you tell me why every soldier doesn't have MC's armor? or perhaps how they found out where halo was?
He's a SPARTAN. He has a special suit. It was remarked as being unique. Enough said.
What I'd really like is to see you stop flaunting Master Cheif's "zOMG skilz!" and prove up, or shut up. I didn't post here to argue Halo canon with you; I came to prove or disprove the thread. And really, Magneto curbstomps MC and the SOul Calibur crew would do the same thing.
Funny, Bungie seems to have forgotten the entire book when they made the game. Linda was also in stasis onboard the Pillar of Autumn. Didn't see her, did you?
Well I wouldn't write her totally out. Plus I do believe she is in Dead or Alive 4.
Actually, he's only marginally taller than the Marines in game. Don't believe me? Play co-op and have one person stand next to a Marine. This is assuming his suit doesn't give him an ich or three with the heels.
He can jump over an elite.. at 8.6ft.. he can jump about 10ft I would say... they probably toned it down abit so you couldn't get out of bounds as much... or you would of jumped just about everywhere...
Something doesn't add up here. If you compare an Elite with MC they are the same size. And if my eyes don't deceive me it says an Elite is 8.6ft
*Oh yeah you could wait a while and see MC on the big screen
A game mechanic involves game play, not lack of certain things. And considering there is two stasis chambers side by side and dozens of others completely uninhabited all in that room and there is no evidence of another room on the ship, I'd say it's pretty well inconsistant in that regard.
So have you seen all of the ship??? we don't see a lunch hall either... or a place for them to get washed... stop nit picking...
However, the out of suit jumping was pretty inconsistant with the strength of the Spartan. If they had the muscles to propel themselves.. how high up was it? Something ridiculous... This is beyond human capacity. Yet for all intents and purposes, MC doesn't act anything like someone who has that kind of agility and muscle capacity.
they can jump 3 meters in the book.... how would you show bullet dodging abilities in a game designed for multiplayer? or have him jumping crazy distances on games... MC doesn't go prone in the games... he doesn't dance either.... should we assume he can't do either of these "feats"?
I'd like MC to think like the tactical/mathematical genius he supposively is in the books, when he's just a silent type wiseass in the games. Smart people don't neccessarily have to talk smart, but they should -act- smart.
He got told that the flood would be wiped out if he got the index... he got tricked by a super-computer. He killed 1000's or covenants/flood and distroyed halo, I don't think someone who wasn't a tactical genius would be able to do that....
And yet this is shown in no cutscenes in the game, nor references in the gaming manual nor anywhere else outside of Fall of Reach. And as to how fast his new reflexes are, I have yet to see. And really, does he move so fast no one can hit him or something? Please.
I'm not saying he can dodge everything... but he will have a definate advantage over most of his enemies.
Not many of the cutscenes have him fighting, so he can't really show off his "l33tn355"
If Bungie planned to release and incorporate a book where the Master Chief has uber reflexes, speed, precision, brains, etc., they should go out of their way to show it, even if by cutscenes alone. Hell, F.E.A.R. has special character slow-mo. If MC -really- moved that fast the entire game would be exactly like that.
The game was designed for multiplayer people being able to go into bullet time would sux, thats forgetting the amount of lag it would create... if the game had constant slow-mo on (like it should) we would still be trying to complete halo 1..
like most superhero games, your powers are cropped so that the game will actually be playable.. spiderman doesn't get crazy reactions... Superman doesn't have his infinate strength.. or his 1443X lightspeed... and the biggest injustace!!!! wolverine can be killed...
And it would raise the bar on the reflexes of everyone in question, since Master Chief reacts about the same as Marines do in game and elites. Do they have uber skilz too?
If MC was as good as marines (like your implying) then why do they get wiped out like nothing... but MC walks through them like nothing??? ergo.. he must be much better then them...
He's a SPARTAN. He has a special suit. It was remarked as being unique. Enough said.
Why didn't they turn all the marines into SPARTANS??
What I'd really like is to see you stop flaunting Master Cheif's "zOMG skilz!" and prove up, or shut up. I didn't post here to argue Halo canon with you; I came to prove or disprove the thread. And really, Magneto curbstomps MC and the SOul Calibur crew would do the same thing.
Flaunting MC skills... rich coming from you..."WTFS! SUPERS CANs GO 8* lightspeed!!!"
For someone who doesn't like arguing halo cannon your sure having a good go at it...