How to scale Revan's skill and power

As you already know this thread is how to appropriately scale Revan's skill and power, so could we start this discussion off with which ending is canon?

LS ending is Canon.

Says who or what officially?

Lucasarts I believe. But Bioware said the Darkside ending was the canon one.

I'd like to see where this is stated exactly other than Wikipedia.

No, I've seen that BioWare said the Darkside ending was canon elsewhere. I'll try and get a link.

But then, I'm not sure whether they said it was canon or they just prefered it.

The Obsidian KOTOR II website does call Revan "Darth Revan" even after the battle with Malak, and certainly follows a dark side trend. However, it also calls Revan a jedi master when he left for the war, which I have never seen verified elsewhere so I'm thinking it might have been a typo or perhaps oversight.

Great. Just great. The game developer says one thing, and the publisher says another.

Which is why EU will always be the bastard child of the series. No master plan.

Ah well, keeps the debates flowing.

In any case, I'll still play the games. Just never debate them with any real proof.

As it is, TOTJ and KOTOR technology and lightsabers look nothing alike and yet are supposed to be within half a century of each other at the latest point.

Its pretty impossible to scale Revan's power. All we can say is that he was incredibly powerful in his time.

But now he's dead....so Fook you Revan.

Kotor's Dark Side ending can't be canon because of KotoR II:

First:
No matter what side you choose in KotoR II you're always told that Master Vandar died on Katarr being killed by Nihilus. In the Dark Side ending of KotoR Vandar dies with the rest of the Republic forces during the battle of the Star Forge.

Second:
Obviously the Sith didn't conquer the Republic and this is what would have happened if Revan continued the war (Vandar in KotoR says that if they fail to destroy the SF the Republic is lost). There are still organized Republic forces - something that would have happened if the DS ending of KotoR would be canon.

Third:
Why would Revan leave known space to fight the Sith Empire if he's still the Dark Lord ? Neither is the Sith Empire a threat in KotoR times nor Revan would have to "fight" since he's already the Dark Lord.
And even if he did it for some reason - why would Sion or Nihilus command the Sith troops and NOT Bastila ?

So by any means the light side ending is canon - why is something that is true for all Lucas Arts SW games (the Jedi Knight games at least).

And considering Revan's power: He has to be more powerful than Kavar since Kavar failed to defeat Malak and barely escaped alive while Revan was able to defeated Malak (no matter if Revan was DS or LS).

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Kotor's Dark Side ending can't be canon because of KotoR II:

First:
No matter what side you choose in KotoR II you're always told that Master Vandar died on Katarr being killed by Nihilus. In the Dark Side ending of KotoR Vandar dies with the rest of the Republic forces during the battle of the Star Forge.

Second:
Obviously the Sith didn't conquer the Republic and this is what would have happened if Revan continued the war (Vandar in KotoR says that if they fail to destroy the SF the Republic is lost). There are still organized Republic forces - something that would have happened if the DS ending of KotoR would be canon.

Third:
Why would Revan leave known space to fight the Sith Empire if he's still the Dark Lord ? Neither is the Sith Empire a threat in KotoR times nor Revan would have to "fight" since he's already the Dark Lord.
And even if he did it for some reason - why would Sion or Nihilus command the Sith troops and NOT Bastila ?

So by any means the light side ending is canon - why is something that is true for all Lucas Arts SW games (the Jedi Knight games at least).

And considering Revan's power: He has to be more powerful than Kavar since Kavar failed to defeat Malak and barely escaped alive while Revan was able to defeated Malak (no matter if Revan was DS or LS).

Problem with this theory is that it's open to contradiction by KOTOR III. For one thing, Vandar may have canonically died on Katar, but that doesn't neccessarily mean that it had to be either one ending or the other. Many games before have had alternate endings and the true one being more of a blend. Resident Evil is a fine example.

Holding this in mind, it's -possible- that there is some kind of alternate, hybrid ending where Revan is evil, but doesn't declare himself Lord of the Sith and attack the Republic, since that would negate the idea of KOTOR II. I think the problem is that there originally wasn't supposed to be a KOTOR II, and since it went to another company entirely, it's possible lines got crossed.

To say it's not possible at this stage in the game is a bit presumptuous.

Well that pretty much says LS ending is canon thank you for clearing that up Nai. Now if anyone would like to continue this lets try and figure out which of Revan's feats can be considered canon.

Right. I'll be over here away from the ignorance of KMC...

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
First:
No matter what side you choose in KotoR II you're always told that Master Vandar died on Katarr being killed by Nihilus. In the Dark Side ending of KotoR Vandar dies with the rest of the Republic forces during the battle of the Star Forge.

True yet still not enough evidence.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Second:
Obviously the Sith didn't conquer the Republic and this is what would have happened if Revan continued the war (Vandar in KotoR says that if they fail to destroy the SF the Republic is lost). There are still organized Republic forces - something that would have happened if the DS ending of KotoR would be canon.

It was explained in the DS ending how Revan decided not to attack the Republic for unknown reasons. Also Vandar does not know everything.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Third:
Why would Revan leave known space to fight the Sith Empire if he's still the Dark Lord ? Neither is the Sith Empire a threat in KotoR times nor Revan would have to "fight" since he's already the Dark Lord.
And even if he did it for some reason - why would Sion or Nihilus command the Sith troops and NOT Bastila?.

Yes, but Revan only took the title of Dark Lord because he believed that it was the only way to defeat the ancient Sith. When he left Bastila followed after him so how could she have commanded the Sith troops?

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
So by any means the light side ending is canon - why is something that is true for all Lucas Arts SW games (the Jedi Knight games at least).

This is unfounded.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
And considering Revan's power: He has to be more powerful than Kavar since Kavar failed to defeat Malak and barely escaped alive while Revan was able to defeated Malak (no matter if Revan was DS or LS).

Considering what we know of Revan he without a doubt would easily defeat Kavar. Using Kavar as a comparision is foolhardy since I doubt any of Jedi Counsel members would have been able to take on Revan.

so LS is cannon then?

Yes. LSD is a cannon. It will shoot your mind through the roof.