Originally posted by chilled monkey
Uh no. Lucas has not actually said that. He has not said that the seven Forms don't exist. Ergo, they are canon until he says otherwise.Mace used Vaapad. Yoda used Ataro. Kenobi used Soresu. Dooku used Makashi etc.
Simple as that.
Er...not really.
If he doesn't acknowledge their existance...they probably don't exist to him. Canon means Lucas said it, or it was in the movies...or radio drama, I suppose, if you talk about the OT...
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Nah, it's just EU geek speak.Simple as that.
Where's the fun in that?
"If he doesn't acknowledge their existance...they probably don't exist to him."
Forms 1-7 are present in books, games etc, which Lucas gave permission to make. I'd say that was at least tacit approval.
Basically, you can't say "Forms don't exist because I say so" and expect that to be taken as law, when Lucas has never actually said that they aren't part of continuity.
Besides, having the Forms is more fun.
Originally posted by chilled monkeyWell not everything in life is fun now is it.
Where's the fun in that?"If he doesn't acknowledge their existance...they probably don't exist to him."
Forms 1-7 are present in books, games etc, which Lucas gave permission to make. I'd say that was at least tacit approval.
Basically, you can't say "Forms don't exist because I say so" and expect that to be taken as law, when Lucas has never actually said that they aren't part of continuity.
Besides, having the Forms is more fun.
Originally posted by PVS
you're just trying so hard to bend reality arent you.ok, lets try this again. the man who PRODUCED THE FILM said
that IN THE FILM, mace did NOT use any 'form'. NG simply told them
what to do, and they did it.FACT
DEAL. WITH. IT.
Hold on, you're saying that in the storyline, NG told MACE WINDU and PALPATINE what to do. Funny, I don't recall seeing NG on-screen.
We're not talking about the making of the movie, we're talking about what happens in the film's context.
In the MOVIE they all use different Forms, it adds depth to the characters.
Plus in ANH, Kenobi says that the lightsabre is an elegant weapon. This means that it takes discipline and training to use, just like a regular sword. It's "an elegant weapon," so they aren't just swinging around wildly. And logically there isn't going to be just one style. Look how many martial arts there are on earth alone, never mind having a whole galaxy to develop different techniques.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Hold on, you're saying that in the storyline, NG told MACE WINDU and PALPATINE what to do. Funny, I don't recall seeing NG on-screen.
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Originally posted by chilled monkey
We're not talking about the making of the movie, we're talking about what happens in the film's context.
thats right, and no mention of forms were in the movie, correct or did you see a different ep3 than i did? NO MENTION. therefore, it WAS NOT in the context of the film AT ALL.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
In the MOVIE they all use different Forms, it adds depth to the characters.
thats bullshit. as i said before, but you felt it warranted a smartass rebuttal, the man who directed the film TOLD US THAT THERE WERE NO FORMS!!! yet you know better. typical fanboy
Originally posted by chilled monkey
And logically there isn't going to be just one style. Look how many martial arts there are on earth alone, never mind having a whole galaxy to develop different techniques.
tell it to GL, or RM, because they obviously dont share your superior logic.
RM made it perfectly clear. there was no talk of fighting styles. they were just told to do moves, and they did them. they are concerned with making exciting duels, not satisfying fanboys with trivial EU nonesense.
i gave you a quote which shatters your theory to tiny pieces and you still dont get it. then you never will.
if you need to convince yourself that there are forms, in order for your experience to be "fun" when watching, then more power to you. but dont try to peddle that crap in a CANON forum because the proof speaks for itself.
the truth: you are WRONG, forms are EU
dont like that? well dont cry to me, call rick m. and cry to him.[/reality]
he used the same moves as every other light saber fight ive seen, swing the thing and try and hit your apponent. The only exception being Yoda and palpatine who jumped about like monkeys at some part.
Note at one stage in the duel Palp had Windu, the light saber pointing at his chest and windu with his arms out wide looking in amazment in a "this is it" sort fo way if I could post pictures I´d add it. Palp´s wanted the battle to continue so Anniken would have to decide
Originally posted by Bicnarok
he used the same moves as every other light saber fight ive seen, swing the thing and try and hit your apponent. The only exception being Yoda and palpatine who jumped about like monkeys at some part.Note at one stage in the duel Palp had Windu, the light saber pointing at his chest and windu with his arms out wide looking in amazment in a "this is it" sort fo way if I could post pictures I´d add it. Palp´s wanted the battle to continue so Anniken would have to decide
Note that you have somehow gone completely off topic completely ignoring everything this topic is about just to talk about Palpatine faking or not faking a fight.
This thread is about Mace using Vaapad, its an EU forum. Mace used Vaapad in EU therefor yes he used Vaapad in his final duel against Sidious. End of discussion.