Infinites vs Phoenix Force,tribunal,eternity,death,and galactus

Originally posted by Xplosive
It doesn't matter how many pages. That doesn't say actually say anything.

Actually it speaks volumes,
besides the fact that Jean herself said,
during those Seven pages she was coordinating a disinfection.
(she had to do so much Prep that X-Men died in the meantime)

It took Phoenix A LOT of TIME to amputate that Future/Timeline,
enough time that her friends were dying all around her,
including Wolverine at the hands of Sublime while she was working on the "amputation"

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But don't take my word for it, here is Jean in her own words:

"What's happening here is a Coordinated Disinfection,
my Friends were only KEEPING YOU BUSY"

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Finally, SEVEN PAGES later Phoenix amputates that Future.

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MAD Prep ... to amputate a Timeline.

Originally posted by Xplosive
That is actually a humor.

Originally posted by Xplosive
In What if when Dark Phoenix destroyed and alternate Universe like nothing,
it was only one page.
Then you have Phoenix doing lesser things in more pages.

Heck, you'll never see a "What If" story being referenced in a bio,
of any character ... any!

Btw ... Jean died with that "What If' reality, she was consumed as well.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Then you have Phoenix being defeated by Xorneto,
then you have in What if Vulcan destroying galaxies and Shi'ar Empire, AW and Kree Empire like nothing. I mean... It really doesn't say completely anything.
(And then you bring back a scene with Xorneto. It doesn't say anything, you like to bring that up because Phoenix being owned by a lesser being, although you know PF is immeasurably beyond him).

The mistake you're making friend, is your comparing bullshit 'What If' stories
with events that are 100% Canon to Marvel's continuity.

Xorn killing Jean
and exploding the Phoenix Force into a Billion pieces
happened in a mainstream X-Men issue,
and was referenced again On Panel by Beast in the Decimation arc,
and also referenced On Panel by the Phoenix Force itself in Endsong,
and then was confirmed in the official Marvel handbook bio.

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Here is the proof:
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Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (top Phoenix host)

on panel

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Beast remembers:

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This incident involving Xorn & Jean
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong"

"I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion PIECES"
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And it's all confirmed in the Phoenix Force's Official Marvel Bio:

(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)

"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,

this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"
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Now go and try to find the PF destroying that 'What If' reality
mentioned in any other story On Panel ...
or in an official Marvel Handbook ...

It's not gonna happen.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And you said yourself, is WPOTC when not seen, repairing timelines,
generally time and space, possibly, but you yet have to see that on panel.
I haven't seen that on panel, except what you said now,
but I think she's doing that all the time, because that is the Phoenix work.

Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) cauterized Eternity's cancer,
and then (with his team) gets owned simultaneously by normal Dormammu.

Originally posted by Xplosive
She was doing at will. The PF power alone effortlessly had the power to do that.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Vulcan in What if did with a gesture with Krakoa island.
I know an Island is not big.

Thankfully it was a "What If' so we'll ignore the stomp (Vulcan kills every Avatar) 😂

Originally posted by Xplosive
Why couldn't LT remove a Galactus with a gesture,
something that HOM Wanda could probably, certainly do?

Wanda can remove Galactus,
but then she has to remake him or supplement him
if she wants the Omniverse to exist.

That's why imo, LT couldn't do it with a gesture.

Heck just returning Galactus to his "Natural State" (not erased)
caused the Prime Multiverse to begin a collapse (Abraxas)

LT has proven to have the power to replace the 616 Reality with the Ultimate Universe.
(that's ridiculously impressive)

Originally posted by Xplosive
It was mentioned more times
and mentioned more times that PF is a power behind the creation

Originally posted by Xplosive
Reed Richards said that, also Watcher said that.
It was also said on more occasions.
I mean, mentioned something like that more times cannot be a coincidence.

And he was wrong this time, cause as we saw On Panel,
the Omniversal Big Bang is ... the Alien Entity,
the Multiversal Big Bang is ... Entropy,
Universal Big Bangs happen on their own, according to Ultimate Reed,
who actually harnessed one and attacked Gah Lak Tus with it.
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Watcher said the PF is the "Spark" that ignites the Big Bang.

But either the ol' Watcher is wrong, or it's been retconned,
cause On Panel the Alien Entity pulled the "Spark" that ignites the Big Bang
out of its chest:

The Alien Entity extracts the "SPARK" that ignites the Big Bang:

Which means the Alien Entity is the True "SPARK that ignites Creation" (ON Panel)

"The Void. The Timeless, Spaceless ... Pre-Creation hesitation ...

the Nothing that existed before there was existence.

The Void ... all that is, all that was, before what you call ... the Big Bang."

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Here it is On Panel,

the "SPARK that ignites Creation" doing exactly that:

Reed says,

"Are you saying that WE ... You, and I ... that Our Desire to understand ...

was the SPARK that Lit the Fire of Creation?"

The Alien Entity responds,

"There is but one way to be sure ... Let There Be Light"

"Let the Universe itself ... Become!"

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The Alien Entity releases the Creation of All that is (Omniverse) at light speed:

"In the Void that was there before the Big Bang, before everything that is, was ...

in that silent Creation hesitation, the Entity asked a question,

and now ... that Question ... has SPARKED the Engines of Creation"
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See X ... that's what you call On Panel evidence. 🙂

Originally posted by Xplosive
I cannot show you that happening, but mentioned all the times.
You know that was said, but you are convincing yourself, that cannot be true that PF isn't really all that. I know you are waiting for that to be shown on a panel. Probably even after that you would have a hard time accepting that.
But it was mentioned many times, fact.

If it happens on panel, and even better is corroborated in an official bio,
I'll state the Truth as I always have.

Originally posted by Xplosive
PF alone takes them down as, of course, so does LT.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, not really, if PF is truly behind the power of the creation,
you need that to be shown on a panel.
If it will be shown, because words are not enough for you,
then it won't be a humor anymore.
I already think PF is that.
Then would PF also be in your eyes the ultimate power.

On Panel and Bio evidence has shown us that
the Phoenix Force is a Universal force of nature = to the other Abstracts.
Only Abraxas/Entropy/Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion are above the PF out of the Concepts,
normal Galactus is not more powerful than the PF,
but big G is more important to reality instead.

team for the win

obsessed much?

Originally posted by xjustice69x
team for the win

Originally posted by xjustice69x
obsessed much?

About Dormammu, well Dormammu was stomped with extreme ease by Rachel in alternate Universe.

Everything you shown, you shown many times. It never changes anything.
But PF was mentioned many times as a Big Bang. In Galactus origin, it wasn't mentioned as a PF, but it was mentioned some fiery creating... It could be assumed that was the PF, especially because in bios mentioning that actually PF save all existence (maybe Marvel is making that up 🙂), so it connects very well and it's a fact that PF was mentioned quite a times for being that what I said (the creator or big bang).
Reed said big bang or PF, call it whatever you want,. It's obvious he meant PF=big bang.

In recent What if, it should be considered as canon for PF, it was even Jean in the story (who was behind Vulcan actions, so how is that Vulcan embarrassing PF?), Vulcan killing other avatars from different universes... (everything happened, because Jean allowed it).

Originally posted by Mr Master
If it happens on panel, and even better is corroborated in an official bio,
I'll state the Truth as I always have.

No doubt, but I am almost sure, you wouldn't like that to happen, they show that on panel. And don't say, that won't happen. Yeah right.

Tell me, what is this:

PF brought cosmos into being and is the fire that ultimate consumes it. Also Watcher said that:

PF is the big bang and actually created everything, ''All that is... I am'',
and then literal memories of the PF how it's the big bang and it shows:

PF, power of the creation:

Eternity says the Force gives life to everything, when it starts the cycle again after the death of the old one (resurrection force, assurance of life from death - a new beginning from the ashes of cold. Pretty much said, PF is behind the creation or it powers all life):

Also in Ultimate it's considered the Big Bang.

Wasn't it also said that in process, evolved humanity will replace abstracts, also LT, hence LT bowing down.
The process being powered by PF.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix Force will never be the ultimate power, because I know it isn't.To think that is folly.

On Panel and Bio evidence has shown us that
the Phoenix Force is a Universal force of nature = to the other Abstracts.
Only Abraxas/Entropy/Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion are above the PF out of the Concepts,
normal Galactus is not more powerful than the PF,
but big G is more important to reality instead.

🙂
How wrong you are, Mr Master.

You know, what only bothers me about you, Mr Master, because you like bringing Xorn up, while you know that doesn't change anything about PF, because you know PF is immeasurably beyond him.

Originally posted by Xplosive
About Dormammu,
well Dormammu was stomped with extreme ease by Rachel in alternate Universe.

It was Giruad that cauterized Eternity's cancer,
it was Giraud that got stomped.

It just shows that "healing" a reality doesn't mean you are more powerful than said reality.

A doctor can operate on me, and "heal" me,
that doesn't mean once I'm well
I can't punch the Dr. in the face and knock him out with ease.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Everything you shown, you shown many times. It never changes anything.

Originally posted by Xplosive
But PF was mentioned many times as a Big Bang.

Originally posted by Xplosive
In Galactus origin, it wasn't mentioned as a PF, but it was mentioned some fiery creating... It could be assumed that was the PF, especially because in bios mentioning that actually PF save all existence (maybe Marvel is making that up, so it connects very well and it's a fact that PF was mentioned quite a times for being that what I said (the creator or big bang).

Originally posted by Xplosive
Reed said big bang or PF, call it whatever you want,. It's obvious he meant PF=big bang.

On Panel ... the Alien Entity is the Omniversal Big Bang,
and the "Spark" that ignited said Big Bang.
(I just posted the PROOF ... don't become intransigent now)

On Panel ... Entropy is the Multiversal Big Bang.
(I have the scanned PROOF if you need it)

Originally posted by Xplosive
In recent What if, it should be considered as canon for PF, it was even Jean in the story (who was behind Vulcan actions, so how is that Vulcan embarrassing PF?), Vulcan killing other avatars from different universes... (everything happened, because Jean allowed it).

Originally posted by Xplosive
No doubt, but I am almost sure, you wouldn't like that to happen,
they show that on panel. And don't say, that won't happen. Yeah right.

Don't go there.

I already said, when it happens On Panel, it will be legit.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Tell me, what is this:

PF brought cosmos into being and is the fire that ultimate consumes it.

😆 (What ... based on gossip?)

You went right into the respect thread and swallowed what the poster added,
instead of reading the scan yourself.

The very first thing it states is:

"They heard the stories"
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Yea, I heard the theory too,
until the Alien Entity put that hype to rest On Panel concerning the Omniverse,
until Entropy put that hype to rest On Panel concerning the Multiverse,
until Ultimate Reed put that hype to rest On Panel concerning single Universes.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Also Watcher said that:

You must've missed this:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Watcher said the PF is the "Spark" that ignites the Big Bang.

But either the ol' Watcher is wrong, or it's been retconned,
cause On Panel the Alien Entity pulled the "Spark" that ignites the Big Bang
out of its chest:

The Alien Entity extracts the "SPARK" that ignites the Big Bang

Which means the Alien Entity is the True "SPARK that ignites Creation" (ON Panel)

"The Void. The Timeless, Spaceless ... Pre-Creation hesitation ...

the Nothing that existed before there was existence.

The Void ... all that is, all that was, before what you call ... the Big Bang."
..................................................................................................

Here it is On Panel,

the "SPARK that ignites Creation" doing exactly that:

Reed says,

"Are you saying that WE ... You, and I ... that Our Desire to understand ...

was the SPARK that Lit the Fire of Creation?"
..................................................................................................

The Alien Entity responds,

"There is but one way to be sure ... Let There Be Light"

"Let the Universe itself ... Become!"

..................................................................................................

The Alien Entity releases the Creation of All that is (Omniverse) at light speed:

"In the Void that was there before the Big Bang, before everything that is, was ...

in that silent Creation hesitation, the Entity asked a question,

and now ... that Question ... has SPARKED the Engines of Creation"
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That's the Alien Entity On Panel creating the "SPARK" that ignited the original Big Bang,
that's the Alien Entity re-creating the Marvel Universe
through the Big Bang, which the Alien Entity embodies.

This isn't TALK dude ... this happened On Panel.
And is confirmed in Marvel's bios and at the Marvel.com site.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Please try and show me the Phoenix Force doing this.

Originally posted by Xplosive
PF is the big bang and actually created everything, ''All that is... I am'',
and then literal memories of the PF how it's the big bang and it shows:

The Phoenix Force clearly states, "This is HOW I came into being"

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Or is it that you believe that Phoenix created everything before even Phoenix was created?

hum

Originally posted by Xplosive
PF, power of the creation:

Jean talking about herself and yet has never created even a single Reality.

Please.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Eternity says the Force gives life to everything, when it starts the cycle again after the death of the old one (resurrection force, assurance of life from death - a new beginning from the ashes of cold.

Pretty much said, PF is behind the creation or it powers all life)

It doesn't say Phoenix is behind creation or the power of life,
but I love your improve.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Wasn't it also said that in process, evolved humanity will replace abstracts, also LT, hence LT bowing down.
The process being powered by PF.

The truth with proof:

Scan 1: (Scan 1 & 2 are one page)

Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to US....

Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang
and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe
with Creation and the Celestials were created by Eternity.
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(Scan 2)

Ok, here Eternity says,

"like Galactus was the sole survivor...
so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."

NOTHING about Phoenix.

"Oblivion will embrace all ... creation will Renew itself"... (no need for Phoenix)

"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...

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Ok, I'm sure you see now what the Stranger WANTS to BE ABLE to do...
what Humans WILL BE ABLE to do one day.

(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan)

because one day WE (Humans),
will NOT need the Abstracts or even the Living Tribunal...

they will be as NOTHING to US (Humans).

(Scan 2)

"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now ... to Engulf the cosmos."

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How does he PLAN to do that?....

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AT one time some even thought it would be with the power of Phoenix.

But after reviweing the arc, that was just the same ol' twisted bullshit hype.
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(Scan 3 & 4)

The Stranger was going to use 5 (FIVE) individuals
to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now ... to Engulf the cosmos"

Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique:

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More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use
to "Spark Humanity's Evolution Now ... to Engulf the cosmos" ...

NOT Phoenix ... NOT PHOENIX AT ALL ...
Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.

"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"

notworthy------------------>nono

Originally posted by Xplosive
How wrong you are, Mr Master.

You know, what only bothers me about you, Mr Master,
because you like bringing Xorn up,
while you know that doesn't change anything about PF,
because you know PF is immeasurably beyond him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're still just copying & pasting the exaggerated claims made in the respect thread,
without re-viewing the scans for yourself.
No where in those scans does it depict Phoenix as the Big Bang,
or creating anything. Nice try.

The Phoenix Force clearly states, "This is HOW I came into being"

It wasn't a try.
You missed where it said, ''All that is... I am''.
With the big bang it came into being. It could mean, with big bang it was reborn, as it existed before. Phoenix ended the previous universe, it was a big bang, made a new one, was reborn from previous universe and made a new one, hence the memories, memories also of the big bang and a quote, because it created a new, current universe, ''All that is...I am''.

Eternity says what Phoenix is, a ressureciton force, assurance of life from
death, a new beginning from the ashes of old.

What the heck, Xorn is a bad match up for PF, bad style and will always win against PF.
Maybe he is even above it.

The team wins this because of the LT. He would solo the Infinites. Without him, one less universe for the LT to oversee.

Originally posted by Xplosive
It wasn't a try.
You missed where it said, ''All that is... I am''.

So now Phoenix is the combination of Eternity & Infinity,

the plot thickens.

Originally posted by Xplosive
With the big bang it came into being. It could mean,
with big bang it was reborn, as it existed before.

"Forces such as Entropy, Oblivion, Death, Life they remain constants through any Big Bang"
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Originally posted by Xplosive
Phoenix ended the previous universe,

That was the Infinity Being, who was all, and all was him,
then died and created all realities in current Marvel:
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"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"

"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it "

Then Thanos says, I wouldn't blame you for calling it 'GOD' ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)
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"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"

"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"
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Diana of the Dark Shoppe (of another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

"Many Millennia ago in your Universe, (the Prime Multiverse that is)
there was a God with the power of Infinity, even with control of ALL that is,
the God's loneliness could not be soothed, by his own hand he died"
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Mephisto also attested to this event on panel.

ALL Official and Canon according to the updated 2007 - IG bio.

Originally posted by Xplosive
it was a big bang, made a new one, was reborn from previous universe and made a new one, hence the memories, memories also of the big bang and a quote, because it created a new, current universe, ''All that is...I am''.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Eternity says what Phoenix is, a ressureciton force,
assurance of life from death, a new beginning from the ashes of old.

Originally posted by Xplosive
What the heck, Xorn is a bad match up for PF,
bad style and will always win against PF.
Maybe he is even above it.

Peace & love yall.

wow looks like marvel has more big bangs then one can count!
but which one is the real one?
i wonder how many more will turn up?

Originally posted by xjustice69x
wow looks like marvel has more big bangs then one can count!

1. The Infinity Being (previous universe) died (imploded)
then exploded (Big Bang-beginning of Time) into the current Marvel Universe.
(stated in the Thanos Quest arc, Infinity Gauntlet arc, Ultraforce/Avengers arc, & 07' IG bio)

2. Sis-neg in 1972 (Marvel was a single universe)
travelled to the beginning of time, (folding time & space)
from the void he re-created the original Big Bang.
(depicted/illustrated in Marvel Premiere #12-13)

3. Genis/Entropy in 2002 erased the Marvel Universe,
Entropy re-created Marvel by literally using his body as a Big Bang.
(depicted/illustrated in Captain Marvel #6)

4. Thanos/THOTI in 2003 erased the Marvel Universe,
then re-created a New Marvel Universe almost exactly the same in a Big Bang.
(depicted/illustrated in The End Marvel #6)

5. The Alien Entity in 2006 travelled to the beginning of time, (folding time & space)
then the Alien Entity ignited the Big Bang from within himself,
then used Reed's mind to create a New Marvel Universe exactly the same.
(depicted/illustrated in Fantastic Four #531-532)
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These are the only On Panel accounts we have,
where the Big Bang is actually artistically illustrated taking place.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
but which one is the real one?

Originally posted by xjustice69x
i wonder how many more will turn up? [/B]

befor this universe was formed the phoenix was not called the phoenix force ? it took tht mantel when it encounterd feron?