LT vs. magic
how did strange resist LT's power even for a brief time if LT is supposed to be master of all...also how did strange stalemate thanos with the IG?... do magical energies operate on a higher energy frequency beyond the known dimensions of the multiverse......is magic in its raw form more powerful then LT or even TOAA?
Re: LT vs. magic
Originally posted by RAGE17
how did strange resist LT's power even for a brief time if LT is supposed to be master of all...also how did strange stalemate thanos with the IG?... do magical energies operate on a higher energy frequency beyond the known dimensions of the multiverse......is magic in its raw form more powerful then LT or even TOAA?
Ok, I will TRY to not be biased, here.....
The first time Strange met LT was in the early-mid 60's, it was actually LT's first appearance. As so, he wasn't an extremely well thought out entity. Strange managed to undo nearly everything LT tried on him. But, I discount that feat against LT...I discount nearly everything from the 60's. Characters were just getting started then and the writing showed.
Here's the actual comic pages:
The second time Strange and LT had a bit of a tussle was in ROM, in which LT thought Strange was making the universe unbalanced with his power. So, LT brought in the In-Betweener to deal with him. But, Doc had already smacked up the IB something fierce before, so the LT nulled Strange's ability to call upon higher power. I do count this feat since it was in the mid-late 70's.
The most Strange was able to do was to indirectly defy LT's will by holding off IB long enough to help ROM....it's not too major in my book.
Basically, the times LT and Strange tangled either A.Don't count or B.Seemed more major than they were.
Ok, on to the I.G.
Strange never stalemated Thanos with the I.G, he stalemated Adam Warlock.
He did so by using all his artifacts combined, which are the most powerful artifacts in the universe. So, him being able to combat One universally powerful artifact with his own set of universally powerful artifacts seems reasonable. Being Sorcerer Supreme allows you that privilege.
So, I'd say no, magic doesn't go over the head of the LT or TOAA, mainly because they deal in magic themselves. At most, magic is the ONLY way to ever attempt to try to combat any cosmic entity, making someone with Strange's skill in magic seem very high on the totem poll.
Do I think magic is greater than LT?
Absolutely.
See, LT's power is limited to the omniverse - it's derived by his role given to him by TOAA.
Magic powers come from beyond the omniverse, beyond TOAA - it comes directly from TOATOAA (The One Above The One Above All). TOATOAA showed up in an issue of the Fantastic Four recently (the issue where Ben died and they went to heaven to retrieve him). TOATOAA has also shown up in Cable and Deadpool recently. Who is TOATOAA?
The writer.
And the writer is beyond the Phoenix Force, beyond WANDA, even beyond MAGNETO PRIME. When Strange (or any other magic user) channels the power of the writer through the spell of Plotus Devicus, he can literally do anything he wants - even defy the previously undefiable judgements of the Living Tribunal.
Nobody beats Strange.
Well, Quesada is TOATOATOAA. He delegates power to TOATOAA, who in turns can make Strange as powerful as he wants. Remember, magic is, well, magical. there really aren't any defined or canon limits to what it can or cannot do. If TOATOAA wants Strange to cast a spell that turns Eternity into a kitten, then there's nothing in the nature of his powers to prevent that from happening. That's why Strange can have such incredibly high end feats.
Originally posted by demigawd
Well, Quesada is TOATOATOAA. He delegates power to TOATOAA, who in turns can make Strange as powerful as he wants. Remember, magic is, well, magical. there really aren't any defined or canon limits to what it can or cannot do. If TOATOAA wants Strange to cast a spell that turns Eternity into a kitten, then there's nothing in the nature of his powers to prevent that from happening. That's why Strange can have such incredibly high end feats.
Untrue. The likes of LT and Phoenix deal with magic as well as cosmic forces. LT's job i sto maintain a mystical balance across the multiverse. Phoenix has been called a mystical force before. Eternity is said to be the greatest mystical force in the universe. The abstracts and above deal with magic as well as cosmic energies so no magic is not greater than LT. He is as adept with it as he is with cosmic power.
