Heart of the Universe Thanos & Infinity Gauntlet Warlock vs The Morningstar Brothers

Originally posted by golem370
If he could controll all realities then why is there the reailty gem for?The Infinity Gauntlet is among the most powerful artifacts in the Marvel Universe. The Gauntlet consists of the six Infinity Gems mounted on a gold glove. Each Infinity Gem grants its bearer complete mastery over one aspect of the Universe:

Time
Space
Power
Soul
Mind
Reality
With possession of all six Infinity Gems, the bearer would have complete omnipotence over the Universe, though not necessarily the omniscience required to effectively wield that power. Later comics added the existence of a seventh gem called the Ego Gem.

The reality gem gives control over reality on a universal scale.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/nemesise.htm

I HOTU is supose to be beyond LT Phenoix Force The Beyonder and all that I thought those emerged with Thanos to be a Near Supreme Being

Originally posted by golem370
I HOTU is supose to be beyond LT Phenoix Force The Beyonder and all that I thought those emerged with Thanos to be a Near Supreme Being

I dont understand what youre saying here lol

i wouldnt quite say its more powerful than beyonders, but LT and pheonix definately.

So, is there just one HOTU? Or does each reality have its own? One HOTU would make sense, but then which reality would this one be found in (616 conveniently)? A lot of HOTUs in each reality would mean that every Thanos in each reality with the HOTU would be fighting each other for control of the multiverse.

I think every UNIVERSE has ONE HOTUU!!!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i wouldnt quite say its more powerful than beyonders, but LT and pheonix definately.

Leon you say that again and i will hunt you down!!!!

How many times do i have to tell you that your idea behind the Beyonders is wrong. Very wrong. You have ideas between them and the Fake Beyonder mixed up.

The true Beyonders were in Marvel comics before the Fake Beyonder. Their 1st appearance was in Marvel two in one #63.

They exist in a dimension accessible through the Negative Zone. They were not and never have been beyond the multiverse.

The fake Beyonder was a new unrelated character created in the early 80's for Secret Wars. He became very unpopular with various editors and writers because he was too powerful. Some editors had the idea of linking him to the true beyonders and their cosmic cubes as a way of depowering him and as a cosmic cube his powers would be illusion based so thatwould explain away a lot of his feats. So thus the retcon was born, he became half a cosmic cube.

The true beyonders are within marvels multiverse so are under the jurisdiction of beings like Phoenix and LT. They have displayed nothing which shows they are beyond just Eternity level. They are restricted to reality and live on the physical plane beyond the Negative realm so that would suggest they are not. So i would place their power somewhere between the cosmic cubes (which they empower) and Eternity.

Do not say Fake Beyonder is representative of their power level because as all of his feats were written off and made non existent he is not.

Ok? 😄

So then if HOTU is powerful enough to absord LT, then wouldn't it be powerful enough to do that to Phoenix as well, seeing as how they are counterparts of a sort?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
So then if HOTU is powerful enough to absord LT, then wouldn't it be powerful enough to do that to Phoenix as well, seeing as how they are counterparts of a sort?

As Phoenix wasnt there who knows how it would stand up to HOTU. But given that its heavily suggested to be an aspect of the supreme being with Jean just its human face in creation i dont think it would fare too badly. But then thats just speculation. The Phoenix power has been shown to give a wielder power to humble LT (X-men Forever). Some like Illadelph believev that Phoenix ending Lt's existence as part of the natural order doesnt make Phoenix greater than LT because Phoenix does it at the end of creation and Lt's job is to guard creation so with no creation in place its more just a passing of the reins. However i believe the fact it was shown that anyone who taps into the power can usurp this natural order and use the power to bring LT's end at anytime of their choosing, under their own timetable shows that the power is greater than LT. Either way we know that its at the very least on his level.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
I think every UNIVERSE has ONE HOTUU!!!

Hopefully we'll find out more about HOTU soon.

ahhh i see, a new thread a new beginning isnt that right gs. just like before uve forgotten how badly u lost the pheonix debate and u see that most of those people arent here in this thread and before u realize it VOILA! gs is at his bullshit again, n btw i would like to see u back up ur claims of the beyonders being what YOU say they are n me being wrong{as usual im doing this out of the necessity to maintain my dignity and not beating ur ass down}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ahhh i see, a new thread a new beginning isnt that right gs. just like before uve forgotten how badly u lost the pheonix debate and u see that most of those people arent here in this thread and before u realize it VOILA! gs is at his bullshit again, n btw i would like to see u back up ur claims of the beyonders being what YOU say they are n me being wrong{as usual im doing this out of the necessity to maintain my dignity and not beating ur ass down}

What thread are you talking about Leon? For the last few weeks you keep referring to me having badly lost a phoenix thread. Im guessing its the Scarlet Witch one in which case I think you need to revisit that thread and you'll see that as far as on topic debating went Phoenix won and everyone conceded after Uncanny X-men 465 came out rubbishing their claims over Wandas abilities. You were saying? 😂

As for Marvel Two in one ask Whirly he's read it. Back on the Specific Hierarchy Thread me and him were talking about it and its content.

Heres a piece from Wikipedia. Scroll down to the bottom bit titled "Behind The Scenes" It supports what i was saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beyonder

Heres a bit about the Nuwali the race who serve the Beyonders and it also states about them living in a pocket dimension contained in the Negative Zone. So very much in our multiverse:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/nuwalirace.htm

This is a bio of Kosmos (the Female Beyonder):

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/kosmoscube.htm

There you go Leon. No need to thank me. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What thread are you talking about Leon? For the last few weeks you keep referring to me having badly lost a phoenix thread. Im guessing its the Scarlet Witch one in which case I think you need to revisit that thread and you'll see that as far as on topic debating went Phoenix won and everyone conceded after Uncanny X-men 465 came out rubbishing their claims over Wandas abilities. You were saying? 😂

As for Marvel Two in one ask Whirly he's read it. Back on the Specific Hierarchy Thread me and him were talking about it and its content.

Heres a piece from Wikipedia. Scroll down to the bottom bit titled "Behind The Scenes" It supports what i was saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beyonder

Heres a bit about the Nuwali the race who serve the Beyonders and it also states about them living in a pocket dimension contained in the Negative Zone. So very much in our multiverse:

i dont have time for ur bullshit gs n personally ur laughing sarcastically at ur own jokes doesnt bruise my ego either.

anyway, cosmos is a cosmic cube u idiot.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/nuwalirace.htm

This is a bio of Kosmos (the Female Beyonder):

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/kosmoscube.htm

There you go Leon. No need to thank me. 🙂

i dont have time for ur bullshit gs n personally ur laughing sarcastically at ur own jokes doesnt bruise my ego either.

anyway, cosmos is a cosmic cube u idiot.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont have time for ur bullshit gs n personally ur laughing sarcastically at ur own jokes doesnt bruise my ego either.

anyway, cosmos is a cosmic cube u idiot.

😂 You're really not that stupid Leon. Please say this post was a joke.

Kosmos/The Beyonder is a cosmic cube who was created by.......Yep you've guessed it the Beyonders. So one with common sense would think that if im directing you to Kosmos' bio when im trying to inform you about the Beyonders that the bio must have some info pertaining to the Beyonders. 🙄 😂

Now no more silly Beyonder comments. 🙂 Ok? 🙂

i was referring to the part where u called kosmos "FEMALE BEYONDER"

.................idiot.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i was referring to the part where u called kosmos "FEMALE BEYONDER"

.................idiot.

Because its true!!! 😂 Leon seriously stop talking youre really not doing yourself any favours 😱 😂

Ok where does Eternity and Infinity compare to Kosmos. I thought PHOENIX (RACHEL SUMMERS) was beat by the Beyonder?