Who can take down Superman in a Physical battle?

Is Superman allowed to speedblitz? That can shorten or extend the list.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Pre or Post?

Pre - even if you don't allow him TDP's etc, he'd still whupp most people with his limitless speed, strength and total invulnerability to all physical harm that isn't K, RSR or Magic.

Post - a few people could put up a good fight and/or beat him.

Glads, Thor, CM, Jugs. Hulk wouldn't stand a chance as he'd be outmaneuvered.

In my honest opinion, Pre-crisis Supes shouldn't be involved in vs. threads. He basically did whatever the writers wild imaginations could dream up. Back in that day, comics weren't taken as seriously as they are today. They were almost like Looney Tunes, with a more serious tone. Pre-crisis Superman could be written to beat just about anyone by gaining a 'yet undiscovered' power in every issue. I don't know if there are any powers Pre-crisis Superman didn't have.

Many pre-crisis feats defied not just physics, but logic as well. Post-crisis Supes is still mega-powerful, but he is geared towards the more mature reader, and is powered more sensibly.

Superman can outmanuever Hulk or Juggernaut. He would outmaneuver Juggy even easier than Hulk, but he wouldn't be able to put a scratch on Juggy.

I don't quite understand what kgkg means by fighting a "physical match." Does that mean that Superman can use all of powers except heat vision? Clarify.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Is Superman allowed to speedblitz? That can shorten or extend the list.

I think it's Post-crisis. Pre-crisis Superman isn't in continuity.

In my honest opinion, Pre-crisis Supes shouldn't be involved in vs. threads. He basically did whatever the writers wild imaginations could dream up. Back in that day, comics weren't taken as seriously as they are today. They were almost like Looney Tunes, with a more serious tone. Pre-crisis Superman could be written to beat just about anyone by gaining a 'yet undiscovered' power in every issue. I don't know if there are any powers Pre-crisis Superman didn't have.

Many pre-crisis feats defied not just physics, but logic as well. Post-crisis Supes is still mega-powerful, but he is geared towards the more mature reader, and is powered more sensibly.

Superman can outmanuever Hulk or Juggernaut. He would outmaneuver Juggy even easier than Hulk, but he wouldn't be able to put a scratch on Juggy.

I don't quite understand what kgkg means by fighting a "physical match." Does that mean that Superman can use all of powers except heat vision? Clarify.

Speed, etc is allowed

Originally posted by kgkg
Superman can use all his powers but his opponents can use any attack (that is physical)

Speed, etc is allowed

Supes can or can't use all his powers?

Well, just about anyone without super-speed is counted out. Thor could probably give him a good fight, but without Mjolnir he would be at a disadvantage. I'm pretty sure that Gladiator would win his share of fights.

Guys like Surfer are out of it. Surfer would have to amp a lot to get to Superman-level strength, and he doesn't seem like a good physical fighter. The best he could do is outmanuever and avoid Superman using his speed.

There aren't a lot of guys who can mess with the Man of Steel without exploiting some of his weaknesses.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Supes [B]can or can't use all his powers? [/B]

Can (I think.)

His opponents are limited to physical attacks, not him.

Only ones that really come to mind are Thor,WW,MM, Juggernaut,Lobo,Doomsday,Mongul and Hulk.

Originally posted by Marvel=DC
Only ones that really come to mind are Thor,WW,MM, Juggernaut,Lobo,Doomsday,Mongul and Hulk.

Superman has Superspeed. And he's not fighting PIS/CIS style.

Thor has a chance, but he doesn't have Mjolnir. Supes wins more often than not.

Wonder Woman has a chance, but with no bracelets and lassoe, she stand less of a chance than Thor.

Martian Manhunter can't use telepathy, or any other mental abilities. He goes down hard.

Lobo... damnit. He's too inconsistant. If this is ridiculous blood-clone Lobo, he would be a threat, but he lacks the speed Superman has.

Hunter-Prey Doomsday, or Gog Wars Doomsday would probably take Superman, if Superman allows Doomsday to land enough punches. I'm sure that Superman could evade Doomsday if he wanted to, but he won't be able to inflict any damage.

Juggernaut can't be physically harmed, but that doesn't mean Supes is going to let Juggy pound on him, either. I don't see Juggy winning, but then again, he can't lose, either.

Hulk would haved to be pissed off Savage Hulk to even stand a chance. Only a pissed Savage Hulk or above could withstand a speedblitz from Supes and keep coming. Even then, he's too slow to hit Superman if Superman doesn't want to be hit. However, Hulk would be durable enough to stay in the fight for the long run. The only way I see Hulk coming out on top is if Superman gets frustrated by not being able to KO a pissed off Savage Hulk, and instead he tries to outmuscle him. That would be a big mistake. 😈

Otherwise, it's a draw. There's no effective physical means of attack against a raging Savage Hulk, or Mindless Hulk. Both are virtually impervious to damage, and pretty much impossible to KO. The only way Superman could win in such a situation would be to calm Hulk down.

Asgardian Destroyer, Champion and Drax (with power gem).

Tittanus possibly.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman has Superspeed. And he's not fighting PIS/CIS style.

Thor has a chance, but he doesn't have Mjolnir. Supes wins more often than not.

Wonder Woman has a chance, but with no bracelets and lassoe, she stand less of a chance than Thor.

Martian Manhunter can't use telepathy, or any other mental abilities. He goes down hard.

Lobo... damnit. He's too inconsistant. If this is ridiculous blood-clone Lobo, he would be a threat, but he lacks the speed Superman has.

Hunter-Prey Doomsday, or Gog Wars Doomsday would probably take Superman, if Superman allows Doomsday to land enough punches. I'm sure that Superman could evade Doomsday if he wanted to, but he won't be able to inflict any damage.

Juggernaut can't be physically harmed, but that doesn't mean Supes is going to let Juggy pound on him, either. I don't see Juggy winning, but then again, he can't lose, either.

Hulk would haved to be pissed off Savage Hulk to even stand a chance. Only a pissed Savage Hulk or above could withstand a speedblitz from Supes and keep coming. Even then, he's too slow to hit Superman if Superman doesn't want to be hit. However, Hulk would be durable enough to stay in the fight for the long run. The only way I see Hulk coming out on top is if Superman gets frustrated by not being able to KO a pissed off Savage Hulk, and instead he tries to outmuscle him. That would be a big mistake. 😈

Otherwise, it's a draw. There's no effective physical means of attack against a raging Savage Hulk, or Mindless Hulk. Both are virtually impervious to damage, and pretty much impossible to KO. The only way Superman could win in such a situation would be to calm Hulk down.

I was thinking all that too but, WW can still ahve her bracelets since they aren't a power but, part of the oufit right? it's kinda like Superman but, no cape.

Most characters

Originally posted by NoFate007
Most characters

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Originally posted by Marvel=DC
I was thinking all that too but, WW can still ahve her bracelets since they aren't a power but, part of the oufit right? it's kinda like Superman but, no cape.

I guess. Ask kgkg.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
Asgardian Destroyer, Champion and Drax (with power gem).

Tittanus possibly.

yup

absorbing man

Classic Juggs would kill Supes easy. Supes would probably hurt himself just punching him. 1 Jugs punch and Supes dies or is hurt too much to stop the following punches and then he dies.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
How strong was Rune King Thor?

Well he stopped Mangog in his tracks, and Mangog is like Thanos-level in strength, who is far above Superman, so Rune King Thor would whup him.

Here's a list of Marvel guys that could beat Superman in a slugfest:

- Hulk (Onslaught-breaker)
- Juggernaut (Classic, Eighth Day, Trion)
- Immortal Hercules
- Thor (Classic, King, Wisdom of the Runes)
- Gladiator
- Hyperion (Squadron Supreme, Exiles)
- Tyrant
- Galactus
- Thanos
- Anyone with the Power Gem and or IG/HOTU
- Drax the Destroyer (2nd Incarnation)
- Maxam
- Mangog
- Any Abstract Being
- Silver Surfer (amped up in strength)
- Morg (w/ WOL)
- Sentry (amped up in strength)
- Genis (amped up in strength)
- Asgardian Destroyer
- Any Celestial
- Champion of the Universe
- Odin (amped up in strength)
- Zeus (amped up in strength)
- Onslaught (from his final battle @ full power)
- Super Nova
- Terminus/ Ultra Terminus
- Korvac
- Magnus (from the Exiles, hehehe all he has to do is touch him and he wins, if u know his powers u know wut im talking about)
- Beta Ray Bill (Classic, From Stormbreaker: Saga of BRB #5 & 6)
- Atlas (@ Max Size, i know ALOT of u are disagreeing with me on this but if this guy, @ only about 50-60 feet, can damn-near KILL Genis in only a few hits, then i think he can do some serious damage to pretty much anyone @ his max size, which i believe none of us have even seen yet, but so far the biggest he's grown is either in one of the first issues of New T-Bolts when he held up the UN Building or in Thunderbolts Volume 1 issue #1 when he got extremely pissed off at the Absorbing Man.)

*Im sure there's probly more guys who could take out Supes in a brawl but ive just named ALOT, i dont feel like writing any more.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Classic Juggs would kill Supes easy. Supes would probably hurt himself just punching him. 1 Jugs punch and Supes dies or is hurt too much to stop the following punches and then he dies.

Aren't you undercutting Supes just a tad? 😬

I mean, he's fought very powerful magically powered foes without being instantly killed by their attacks. Besides, Supes doesn't even have to let Juggy touch him.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Well he stopped Mangog in his tracks, and Mangog is like Thanos-level in strength, who is far above Superman, so Rune King Thor would whup him.

Here's a list of Marvel guys that could beat Superman in a slugfest:

- Hulk (Onslaught-breaker)
- Juggernaut (Classic, Eighth Day, Trion)
- Immortal Hercules
- Thor (Classic, King, Wisdom of the Runes)
- Gladiator
- Hyperion (Squadron Supreme, Exiles)
- Tyrant
- Galactus
- Thanos
- Anyone with the Power Gem and or IG/HOTU
- Drax the Destroyer (2nd Incarnation)
- Maxam
- Mangog
- Any Abstract Being
- Silver Surfer (amped up in strength)
- Morg (w/ WOL)
- Sentry (amped up in strength)
- Genis (amped up in strength)
- Asgardian Destroyer
- Any Celestial
- Champion of the Universe
- Odin (amped up in strength)
- Zeus (amped up in strength)
- Onslaught (from his final battle @ full power)
- Super Nova
- Terminus/ Ultra Terminus
- Korvac
- Magnus (from the Exiles, hehehe all he has to do is touch him and he wins, if u know his powers u know wut im talking about)
- Beta Ray Bill (Classic, From Stormbreaker: Saga of BRB #5 & 6)
- Atlas (@ Max Size, i know ALOT of u are disagreeing with me on this but if this guy, @ only about 50-60 feet, can damn-near KILL Genis in only a few hits, then i think he can do some serious damage to pretty much anyone @ his max size, which i believe none of us have even seen yet, but so far the biggest he's grown is either in one of the first issues of New T-Bolts when he held up the UN Building or in Thunderbolts Volume 1 issue #1 when he got extremely pissed off at the Absorbing Man.)

*Im sure there's probly more guys who could take out Supes in a brawl but ive just named ALOT, i dont feel like writing any more.

Superman is more consistantly drawn being in higher caliber of many of the important aspects of a physical fight, being in strength, durability, speed, flight, skill, and experience as far as Earth beings are concerned. Universally there are quite a few would give a challenge Superman.

He may not be the absolute top in your opinion in all of these categories, but it's undoubted that he's in the highest tier.. and when you add it all up, not many characters could bring this much depth to a physical fight and blow for blow with the Man of Tomorrow.

This fight is basically asking who can defeat Superman while using none of their powers other than strength, speed, fighting ability, and durability, while Superman is allowed to use ALL of his abilities. The list of guys who can do it isn't very long...

yah, that list is kind of ridiculous. i mean abstracts?? no sh!t they can beat him. trion juggs? power gem wielders? i think it would be all right to consider anyone skyfather and above as safely out of supes league 1on1. i don't think those are the individuals kg is looking at.

and he neglected to say that supes could in turn beat nearly any one on that list at LEAST as often as they would beat him. herc, thor, glads, hyp, drax, maxam, thor . . .

any regular top tier hero can give him a match. i'll contend he would beat most more often than not, but there is no chance one of them would beat him all the time in a physical battle or without resorting to exploiting one of his weaknesses.