Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I haven't seen any strength feats for thanos suggesting what you say. The guy is intelligent, and he can laughs off energy blasts but he isn't invincible or physically invulnerable.As for Cyborg, there is a thanos vs cyborg thread already. Quite a few people agreed that its a good fight.
Marvel list him as class 7 durablity. In a purely phisical match Superman could take it, but with his power cosmic Thanos wins.
I Don't know that much about Cyborg superman, I think I've seen him all of one time, So I won't comment on that.
The only thing Superman and Sentry have going for them against Thanos is the element of surprise. Thanos is like Doom where he has a contingency plan for most well renouned super beings in the universe...being unfamiliar with Supes and Sentry would give them some kind of advantage til he figures out their powers....that is...unless he doesnt just blow them up.
Strange may have a change...Genis-vel may also...they rn't going to give Thanos any surprises though. Champion stands no chance considering he is one of the strongestand oldest people in the continuum like he says...That means Thanos planned for him long ago. Surfer goes down, Thor goes down HARD...
prep time and intelligence are tow different things...to say Thanos hasnt already planned for the contingency of fighting Adam Warlock or Silver Surfer again or saying that he cant form a strategy from observing his opponent in action, would be taking him out of character. U have to consider his superhuman intelligence, computing, and comprehension...Thanos thinks so fast and powerfully he can articulate a complex strategy to victory in microseconds...otherwise he would just be a suped up Drax.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
With no plot devices, pis, or prep?Warlock - He's done it before.
Doomsday - A beast
Cyborg Supes - No pis, can match thanos power for power
Surfer - Same as Cyborg
Strange - He's fought death itself and done well.
Zatanna (surprise, surprise, I know)
Thor - Well Written
Superman
Superman Blue (totally different power base)
Warlock - big maybe
Doomsday - depends on what "victory" means. I'm thinking Thanos can indeed for a long time keep on killing Doomsday, and doomsday keep coming back. However, if he's smart, which we all know he is, he'll just get bored, teleport to his ship and back in under 2 seconds, with his nice shiney "imprison an asgardian God" gun. the end.
Cyborg Supes - don't know enough about him to be honest.
Surfer - no chance in hell. He's been shown to be Thanos' inferior waaaaaaaaaaay too many times.
Strange - i don't know for certain......i'd say it depends on the writer. I mean hell, if Namor could break the bands of Cyttorak....i don't know.
Zatanna - What could she throw at him magic-wise that he hasn't already taken and survived in his encounter with Odin? Does she have more powerful magic than Odin? If she does, then hell yeah.
Thor - well written? Ummmmm...............no?
Superman and Superman blue - again.....don't know quite enough about them, but......when it comes to strength, i don't know if they could beat Thanos right away. He's stayed at it with Champion (that had the Power Gem), with warrior madness Thor (that had the power gem), with Tyrant, etc. When it comes to Heat Vision, Thanos' cosmic blast vision took out both Thor and Thing in one go. I don't recall how Supes' heat vision fared against Thor. Freeze Breath.......this could pose a big problem, but i don't see Superman using it really often......i don't know. Speed blitzing - teleport out of the way? i dunno.
As for Sentry or Genis, has either of them beaten Silver Surfer quite as many times as Thanos has? Has either of them displayed the kind of durability that Thanos did in his fight with a skyfather? I wouldn't be so sure that they can take him.
If proven wrong on any account, i shall admit to be....well......wrong 😛
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Warlock - big maybe
Doomsday - depends on what "victory" means. I'm thinking Thanos can indeed for a long time keep on killing Doomsday, and doomsday keep coming back. However, if he's smart, which we all know he is, he'll just get bored, teleport to his ship and back in under 2 seconds, with his nice shiney "imprison an asgardian God" gun. the end.
Cyborg Supes - don't know enough about him to be honest.
Surfer - no chance in hell. He's been shown to be Thanos' inferior waaaaaaaaaaay too many times.
Strange - i don't know for certain......i'd say it depends on the writer. I mean hell, if Namor could break the bands of Cyttorak....i don't know.
Zatanna - What could she throw at him magic-wise that he hasn't already taken and survived in his encounter with Odin? Does she have more powerful magic than Odin? If she does, then hell yeah.
Thor - well written? Ummmmm...............no?
Superman and Superman blue - again.....don't know quite enough about them, but......when it comes to strength, i don't know if they could beat Thanos right away. He's stayed at it with Champion (that had the Power Gem), with warrior madness Thor (that had the power gem), with Tyrant, etc. When it comes to Heat Vision, Thanos' cosmic blast vision took out both Thor and Thing in one go. I don't recall how Supes' heat vision fared against Thor. Freeze Breath.......this could pose a big problem, but i don't see Superman using it really often......i don't know. Speed blitzing - teleport out of the way? i dunno.As for Sentry or Genis, has either of them beaten Silver Surfer quite as many times as Thanos has? Has either of them displayed the kind of durability that Thanos did in his fight with a skyfather? I wouldn't be so sure that they can take him.
If proven wrong on any account, i shall admit to be....well......wrong 😛
~wickerman~
Odin pretty much blasted him most of the time, he didn't really fight him imo. Thanos knows when to bounce to look good as well. With Mad Thor, he just happend to have a weapon handy to hold Thor (which was PIS..how can you restrain someone with the power gem?) Against Tyrant. He used his teleport device to get out while the getting was good.
Lock up Thanos in a room where he cant teleport out or leave in any way and put him against those 3 characters again. See how bad he gets beat.
Zatanna stopped time around Despero to win that battle, I dont see why that wouldnt be a viable tactic. Odin should have easily been able to do the same or much,much worse.
As the thread implies, I believe Normal Thor has a chance of winning...I just don't think it's likely.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Odin pretty much blasted him most of the time, he didn't really fight him imo. Thanos knows when to bounce to look good as well. With Mad Thor, he just happend to have a weapon handy to hold Thor (which was PIS..how can you restrain someone with the power gem?) Against Tyrant. He used his teleport device to get out while the getting was good.Lock up Thanos in a room where he cant teleport out or leave in any way and put him against those 3 characters again. See how bad he gets beat.
Zatanna stopped time around Despero to win that battle, I dont see why that wouldnt be a viable tactic. Odin should have easily been able to do the same or much,much worse.
As the thread implies, I believe Normal Thor has a chance of winning...I just don't think it's likely.
He did have a weapon nearby, but it's not like he just went ahead and used it. Nope. He fought warrior madness Thor with the power gem for quite a long time. And then, when he got bored (not beaten, but bored), he took out the gun.
I agree that he wasn't AS strong as Tyrant, or winning, but he did survive what destroyed about half of Tyrant's fortress, and managed to steal Tyrant's orb, and managed to fight Tyrant and live to talk about it. And that IMO is indeed quite a feat of strength when you know Tyrant.
Didn't know about Zatanna's time stopping feat.......seems a bit too strong for my liking, but meh. Did she just do it instantly or tried to fight despero before, realized it's not working and resorted to it? Cause if she applies the same thing instead of going directly for the time stop thing which might or might not (i dunno) be faster than a cosmic blast from Thanos, then yeah, sure, she probably could incapacitate/beat him.
As for normal thor, he's already been beaten.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
He did have a weapon nearby, but it's not like he just went ahead and used it. Nope. He fought warrior madness Thor with the power gem for quite a long time. And then, when he got bored (not beaten, but bored), he took out the gun.
I agree that he wasn't AS strong as Tyrant, or winning, but he did survive what destroyed about half of Tyrant's fortress, and managed to steal Tyrant's orb, and managed to fight Tyrant and live to talk about it. And that IMO is indeed quite a feat of strength when you know Tyrant.Didn't know about Zatanna's time stopping feat.......seems a bit too strong for my liking, but meh. Did she just do it instantly or tried to fight despero before, realized it's not working and resorted to it? Cause if she applies the same thing instead of going directly for the time stop thing which might or might not (i dunno) be faster than a cosmic blast from Thanos, then yeah, sure, she probably could incapacitate/beat him.
As for normal thor, he's already been beaten.
~wickerman~
Bored was short for "I won't be able to beat this guy, but let me pull out my PIS gun and end this"...lol
As for Zatanna, she came out of the blue with the words "potp orepsed" and froze him in time. I agree...a bit too powerful for my tastes as well.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Thanos was trying to reason with Odin who was legitimately enraged with the Titan;hanos wasnt trying to mount a real offense; One doesn't enlist someone's assistance by trying to hurt them.
But do you actuallly think that Thanos would have stood a chance in a real battle against him?
Originally posted by Wynndar
prep time and intelligence are tow different things...to say Thanos hasnt already planned for the contingency of fighting Adam Warlock or Silver Surfer again or saying that he cant form a strategy from observing his opponent in action, would be taking him out of character. U have to consider his superhuman intelligence, computing, and comprehension...Thanos thinks so fast and powerfully he can articulate a complex strategy to victory in microseconds...otherwise he would just be a suped up Drax.
But that's what I mean though, Superman also is highly intelligent, Thor is an intelligent fighter if written properly, and Genis. 🙂
i actually sort of forgot how how thanos' durability is...without forecields or tech, he withstood some moderate blasts from ODIN. freaking odin. with tech and forcefields, he survived a blast from galactus with little harm done...
i dunno, i can't imagine somebody under skyfather who has the offensive capabilities.
Oh and as for that strange's forcefields surviving Galactus's energy beams, nobody stated they're his strongest, while when he blasted Thanos in enraged mode, he said "Very Impressive Titan. never before have i had to exert myself in order to pierce a mere force field". Also, i believe that comic is more recent than the strange one. Therefore Thanos' shields > Strange's shields.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Odin pretty much blasted him most of the time, he didn't really fight him imo. Thanos knows when to bounce to look good as well. With Mad Thor, he just happend to have a weapon handy to hold Thor (which was PIS..how can you restrain someone with the power gem?) Against Tyrant. He used his teleport device to get out while the getting was good.Lock up Thanos in a room where he cant teleport out or leave in any way and put him against those 3 characters again. See how bad he gets beat.
Zatanna stopped time around Despero to win that battle, I dont see why that wouldnt be a viable tactic. Odin should have easily been able to do the same or much,much worse.
As the thread implies, I believe Normal Thor has a chance of winning...I just don't think it's likely.
Odin K.O both Drax , and Silver Surfer ------ both have survived planet destroying blast.
Odin was trying a lot harder with Thanos.
Thanos written to that type of Durability will laugh at any attack by most heroes