Trained Pit Bull vs Wolf in a pit fight.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Which is exactly why Spiderman beats Batman. Hahah, sorry, just wanted to throw that out there. 😛

Actually, batman vs. Superman would more be Cale Sanderson vs. mentally challenged guy with a sword. Cale should win, but the dude has a sword, so his road to victory is a lot shorter and bloodier. Cale SHOULD probably still win, if he plays smart (runs, picks up something, throws it) but if he just kinda runs at the guy, he's probly getting hacked up.

Anyhoo, back to the topic. So, spotted hyena vs. Wolf? Anyone?

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, there are MILLIONS of pit bulls and wolves in comics, don't shut this down.

And that doesn't make it any more valid, you should know better by now.

But, I'll leave it open, for now.

And Wynndar's right, no dog, not even a well trained one, has a chance against an animal that's superior in physical stats, intelligence, and killing instinct. A hyena would've been a better choice.

Originally posted by Wynndar
According to zoologists, to wolves, pit bulls and all other breeds of dog are only considered food.

Through breeding Pit Bulls and all other dogs have a big disadvantage to wolves...wolves have far superior muscle efficiency and bone density...Although Pit Bulls have over developed jaw muscles they cannot bite nearly as hard as a wolf...pit bull muscle may highly favor slow twitch muscle which is why they are accustomed to bite and hold on (which is the case for all "bull" types which were literally bred to catch rats and then bite and hold bulls). Wolves also have some of the most impressive lung efficiency and endurance among mammals. Finally, wolves live over huge territories and articulate very impressive hunting strategies. When dogs were bred, they were NOT conditioned or selected based on their brain power. Thus, early on in their domestication, thousands of years ago, without selection for brain power, their brain's cerebral mass was severely diminished...even the smartest and most well trained dogs have an ultimately smaller brain and are dumber than any wolf.

Wolf wins.

any dog??? look up why mastiffs were bread.... mastiffs would kill a wolf... infact thats what they were bread for.

Where I grew up there were illegal pitbull fights, and I can surely say A TRAINED one would be quite a match for a wolf, a couple highly trained ones can take a bear.

If the wolf is NOT trained, than the pit bull can definitely win.

i'd go for the trained pitbull most of the time...

I don't think wolves need to be trained so to speak - killing is innate in it's nature, it learns how to kill via it's rearing. If a wolf has survived to adulthood presumably it is "trained" to kill.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Where I grew up there were illegal pitbull fights, and I can surely say A TRAINED one would be quite a match for a wolf

You make this statement based on your experience of growing up around pitbulls, what is your experience of growing up around wolves?

Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter, faster, fight amongst themselves continually, are meaner, and have no need to be trained or abused in order to perform under pressure or in a conflict. I believe that although it'd be bloody, a wolf stomps a pitbull.

There is only one dog that has a chance in my opinion, and that would be an irish wolf hound. I had a pet wolfhound for 8 years and I would put a wolfhound against a pitbull any day. They have a similar biting structure as a wolf, greater speed and even strength.

Wolf takes the pit and Wynndar has given numerous reasons why.

Irish wolf hound is an example of a dog that was bred for fighting wolves...has much better chances than the pit bull.

Regardless, the multiple breeds of wolf hound and the English Mastiff, a very old breed of dog that was perfected by the Romans for fighting exotic animals like lions still lack the tools.

These dogs were all meant to gang up on other animals. Instead of being destructive they are meant to hold down their quarry. Although some people might be impressed with the nature of a pit bull, all it is built for is holding onto another animal...not to kill it. Although it can be trained to kill, its physiology is built for latching on: overdeveloped large slow twitch jaw muscles, short wide agromaglic features, wrinkled snout allows blood to run away from its eyes...Wolves dont have these features because they are built to kill and eat what it fights....the pressure exerted by their jaws greatly exceeds that of a pit bull because its not meant to latch on...its meant to crush bone.

The Hyena is the only canine with more powerful jaw muscles than a wolf...Its not as graceful...but Hyenas are also pretty intelligent because they demonstrate similar behavior to wolves. Where the wolf would beat the pit bull 10/10 times it may only beat the Hyena 6/10 times. The reason I say this is the wolf is a little more divergent in specifically hunting and killing. Hyenas are so successful because they are so efficient at scavenging and oportunistically stealing prey in a pack from larger, faster, more skilled hunters...they've also demonstrated some omnivorous like behaviors. Wolves are very resilient even though they were hunted to near extinction and live in the harshest of environments...instead of relying on other behaviors like scavenging or diversifying their diet, they hunt until they find something to kill. Thus I say the wolf still slightly edges out the Hyena.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You make this statement based on your experience of growing up around pitbulls, what is your experience of growing up around wolves?

Wolves are bigger, stronger, smarter, faster, fight amongst themselves continually, are meaner, and have no need to be trained or abused in order to perform under pressure or in a conflict. I believe that although it'd be bloody, a wolf stomps a pitbull.

There is only one dog that has a chance in my opinion, and that would be an irish wolf hound. I had a pet wolfhound for 8 years and I would put a wolfhound against a pitbull any day. They have a similar biting structure as a wolf, greater speed and even strength.

Wolf takes the pit and Wynndar has given numerous reasons why.

Trained german shephards jump cars to get at criminals with guns, are guns less dangerous than a wolf?

as far as dogs go German Shepards have a brain very close in size to wolfs......but on this hyena and wolf bit in a pit I go w/the hyena. They have HUGE bite power..........funny thing is they are more closely related to cats then dogs same with bears🙂

Originally posted by long pig
Normal dogs are food when the Wolf leads it into the woods and the pack kills it. But pits aren't normal dogs, they have skill on how to win a fight, they have enormous pain tolerance.

Again, this is a highly trained PBT, it's very game. Game pits will die rather than be beaten.

I don't think the wolf has what it takes.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Irish wolf hound is an example of a dog that was bred for fighting wolves...has much better chances than the pit bull.

Regardless, the multiple breeds of wolf hound and the English Mastiff, a very old breed of dog that was perfected by the Romans for fighting exotic animals like lions still lack the tools.

These dogs were all meant to gang up on other animals. Instead of being destructive they are meant to hold down their quarry. Although some people might be impressed with the nature of a pit bull, all it is built for is holding onto another animal...not to kill it. Although it can be trained to kill, its physiology is built for latching on: overdeveloped large slow twitch jaw muscles, short wide agromaglic features, wrinkled snout allows blood to run away from its eyes...Wolves dont have these features because they are built to kill and eat what it fights....the pressure exerted by their jaws greatly exceeds that of a pit bull because its not meant to latch on...its meant to crush bone.

The Hyena is the only canine with more powerful jaw muscles than a wolf...Its not as graceful...but Hyenas are also pretty intelligent because they demonstrate similar behavior to wolves. Where the wolf would beat the pit bull 10/10 times it may only beat the Hyena 6/10 times. The reason I say this is the wolf is a little more divergent in specifically hunting and killing. Hyenas are so successful because they are so efficient at scavenging and oportunistically stealing prey in a pack from larger, faster, more skilled hunters...they've also demonstrated some omnivorous like behaviors. Wolves are very resilient even though they were hunted to near extinction and live in the harshest of environments...instead of relying on other behaviors like scavenging or diversifying their diet, they hunt until they find something to kill. Thus I say the wolf still slightly edges out the Hyena.

Man, you were so right on until this post.

Hyenas are not canines. In fact, they are more closely related to the mongoose than any other animal. Actually, even more cat-like than canine.

Just wanted to point that out.

Now a good match would be a Dingo vs. Wolf. They're basically the same animal, just in different parts of the world.

I'd like to see a lone wolf take out a full-grown Kangaroo though. Dingos do it.

What about a Siberian Tiger Versus Wolf? I think that tiger would win, what is your opinion, Wynndar (You know a lot about these things). Also, what about full-grown Siberian Tiger versus full-grown Polar Bear? I've read something about old cage matches where a Siberian Tiger won almost every match where it was put against a Polar Bear. (Tigers also beat lions easily?)

This is not even comic book related...but this is one of the most interesting topics here. 😛

Originally posted by soleran30
as far as dogs go German Shepards have a brain very close in size to wolfs......but on this hyena and wolf bit in a pit I go w/the hyena. They have HUGE bite power..........funny thing is they are more closely related to cats then dogs same with bears🙂

Now a good match would be a Dingo vs. Wolf. They're basically the same animal, just in different parts of the world.

Dingos are feral dogs aren't they? It's not the same as a wolf.

To reiterate, a wolf would almost always kill any dog. But to clarify, fighting dogs like pitbulls are not trained to bite and hold on, they are trained to bite and rip.

Also, a poster above said a couple of pitbulls can take a bear, which obviously isn't true. You're thinking of bear baiting, which usually takes a larger breed of dog. The bear is tied down in those fights, and a whole pack of dogs is released on it, alot more than a couple. And the bear still wins on a frequent basis.

The Dingo (Canis lupus dingo), is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf (Canis lupus pallipes). It is commonly described as an Australian wild dog, but is not restricted to Australia, nor did it originate there. Modern Dingos are found throughout South-east Asia, mostly in small pockets of remaining natural forest, and in mainland Australia, particularly in the north. They have features in common with both wolves and modern dogs, and are regarded as more-or-less unchanged descendants of an early ancestor of modern dogs. The name dingo comes from the Eora Aboriginal tribe who were the original inhabitants of the Sydney area.

At between 10 and 24 kilograms, Dingos are a little smaller than wolves of the northern hemisphere (in keeping with Bergmann's Rule) and have a lean, athletic build. They stand between 44 and 63 cm high at the shoulder, and the head-body length varies between 86 and 122 cm. Colour varies but is usually ginger: some have a reddish tinge, others are more sandy yellow, and some are even black; the underside is lighter. Most Dingos have white markings on the chest, feet, and the tip of the tail; some have a blackish muzzle. (The one illustrated above right is paler than usual, and noticeably more thick-set than most.)

Unlike the domestic dog, Dingos breed only once a year, do not bark, and have permanently erect ears. They have a more independent temperament than dogs, and the skull is distinctive, with a narrower muzzle, larger auditory bullae, larger canine teeth, and a domed head.

Wild Dingos prey on a variety of animals, mostly small or medium-sized, but also larger herbivores at need. They are opportunistic carnivores, taking prey ranging in size from lizards and small rodents up to sheep and kangaroos.

Dingos do not generally form packs; they more often travel in pairs or small family groups. However, they are capable of forming larger packs to hunt cooperatively. While Dingo groups use defined home territories, these territories can overlap with those of other groups.

As a result of interbreeding with dogs introduced by European settlers, the purebred Dingo gene pool is being swamped. By the early 1990s, about a third of all wild Dingos in the south-east of the continent were hybrids, and although the process of interbreeding is less advanced in more remote areas, the extinction of the subspecies in the wild is considered inevitable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf

How about a Cougar vs a wolf?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Man, you were so right on until this post.

Hyenas are not canines. In fact, they are more closely related to the mongoose than any other animal. Actually, even more cat-like than canine.

Just wanted to point that out.

Now a good match would be a Dingo vs. Wolf. They're basically the same animal, just in different parts of the world.

I'd like to see a lone wolf take out a full-grown Kangaroo though. Dingos do it.

hmm I shouldnt have used canine as a technical term...the family Hyaenidae is not taxinomically related to canines. They are closer to vivverrids and herpestids which includes mongooses...i think.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What about a Siberian Tiger Versus Wolf? I think that tiger would win, what is your opinion, Wynndar (You know a lot about these things). Also, what about full-grown Siberian Tiger versus full-grown Polar Bear? I've read something about old cage matches where a Siberian Tiger won almost every match where it was put against a Polar Bear. (Tigers also beat lions easily?)

This is not even comic book related...but this is one of the most interesting topics here. 😛

Siberian tigers can weigh 1000lbs. Polar bears and some sub species of kodiak bear are the only carnivores on land that get bigger. Siberian tigers in Russia have been known to kill brown bears though...The biggest bears would be the only match for the Siberian Tiger. A wolf would have no chance at all...its literally 1/5th the size.

Coincidentally, one of the largest, if not the largest big-cat reserve in north america is also in Indiana, not far from Terre-Haute. They have around 165 big cats mostly lions and tigers...Siberian Tiger=very fncking big

true grizzly bears are the only matches for them, but most always the tiger wins. there are very few tiems even in pit fights that a grizzly has ever beaten a tiger

Originally posted by Maestro
How about a Cougar vs a wolf?

wolf in every single way is pritty much superior to a cougar.

a good match up may be a wolverine vs a wolf but I still say a wolverine would most deffently win even thou they are much smaller