Darwin's Natural Selection Still at Work in Humans

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I use this way of describing evolution as an expedient means to show how we are connected. I have found that people who know nothing about evolution get hung up on the idea of changing from one species to the next, as if one day we wake up and we are a new species. So I illustrate the connection by saying that in a fundamental way Pikaias were human, also, they were potentially every other invertebrate.

😮 I meant vertebrates.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothing happens by chance, it is cause and effect (karma).

Originally posted by FeceMan
Or I could say, "Nothing happens by chance; it is cause and effect, where the driving cause is God's will."

I would not agree with that. That would preclude free will. Even God has karma.

I don´t believe in determinist, if everything is God´s will then there would be some kind of determinism, right ? Abert Einstein said "God does not play dices", meaning God´s does not play by chance, but looks like he does.... its the only way to preserve free will.

For me even chance is something related to God, like even if we say that everything happens by chance does not eliminate the possibilty of a God.

it's interesting how that study takes into affect changes caused by our changes in diet and exposure to chemicals in our environment, such as the increase in estrogens in our food supply both through geneticallymodified food and plastics in our food chain.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I don´t believe in determinist, if everything is God´s will then there would be some kind of determinism, right ? Abert Einstein said "God does not play dices", meaning God´s does not play by chance, but looks like he does.... its the only way to preserve free will.

For me even chance is something related to God, like even if we say that everything happens by chance does not eliminate the possibilty of a God.

There is a higher order to the universe than what we can understand. All that we know are just models made from models and all models are incomplete. All opposites are one, good, evil; predetermination, free will; cause, effect; and large, small. Anything that can be defined by an opposite is really just a part of one thing. I will give you an example; left and right are opposites, but together make up a plane. Predetermination or determinism and free will are part of the true nature of time. Cause and effect are simultaneous and they have a relationship that always points in the same direction. Cause creates effect and the effect waits until the conditions are right to manifest it. This alone, would be determinism, but cause and effect does not stand-alone. At any moment, all the causes of the moment are creating effects. These effects modify all non-manifested effects. So, a cause my start with one type of effect, but the effect can change before it becomes manifest. This is free will.

Any possibility that Evolution was God's plan?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would not agree with that. That would preclude free will. Even God has karma.

Originally posted by FeceMan
*Shrugs.* Maybe I don't agree with karma. (Though, in all honesty, that post wasn't meant completely for you...but don't worry about that right now.)

Karma is only the actions of cause and effect. Some forms of Buddhism pack a lot more religious mumbo-jumbo into karma. I mean it in its simplest form, how cause and effect are created and manifested.

I didn't take offence at what you said. I just can't keep my mouth shut; disagreeing with the right person can sometimes be fun. 😄