Is Superman the ultimate Superhero?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey's pretty much worldwide now thanks to those mega hit movies. Also, you are mistaking well known for being popular. Supes could possibly be more well known than Spidey, but more popular? Nah boss. Maybe a looong time ago, but definately not now. Outside of the people who read his comics, no one really cares about Supes like that anymore. Let's see how his movie does. Supes is usually duking it out w/Batman for the #2 spot. Spidey's the king now. This isn't the most accurate list, but Spidey'd never be found an a list like

Once again, you're letting your fanboyism for Spidey and distaste for Supes get in the way of LOGIC. You HONESTLY believe Spider-Man is more popular than Spider-Man? PFFT! 🙄

Wow.

Oh and did you plainly forget the Superman movies that came out back in the sixties? For god's sake the goddamn actor who PLAYED Superman is treated with reverance.

Originally posted by brainchild81
maxim 25

Oh yes, a soft-core porn magazine for tweens is great evidence. You want me to break out Newsweek and Time magazine?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey was also Wizard Magazine's greatest of all time. Bats was #2. Showing us how mentioning him is an instant punchline

Opinion. I'm simply arguing against your ridiculous notion that Spider-Man is more well-known than Superman.

Which is like saying Kabbalah is the most prevalent religion in the world. 😘

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
brainchild81

your kidding right? seriously? you have to be kidding...

are you trying to say that spiderman is more known then superman? wtf is going on in your head man...seriously, its completely retarded what you are saying.

"kids dont know who superman is" hahahaha! thats bull man, complete bull. EVERYONE knows who superman is, everyone. superman is beyond a superhero, he is a symbol. spiderman is just a very popular comic book hero and just recently a very popular movie hero. but superman is a symbol, not even a character anymore, the character is second to his symbolic presence. as said, if superman "S" is in the same league as the crucifix then its pretty F**in known...lol

spiderman is NOT EVEN CLOSE to superman in terms of anything. stop kidding yourself, cause seriously people are gonna laugh at you if you keep saying what your saying.

Name-calling aside....

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
brainchild81

your kidding right? seriously? you have to be kidding...

are you trying to say that spiderman is more known then superman? wtf is going on in your head man...seriously, its completely retarded what you are saying.

"kids dont know who superman is" hahahaha! thats bull man, complete bull. EVERYONE knows who superman is, everyone. superman is beyond a superhero, he is a symbol. spiderman is just a very popular comic book hero and just recently a very popular movie hero. but superman is a symbol, not even a character anymore, the character is second to his symbolic presence. as said, if superman "S" is in the same league as the crucifix then its pretty F**in known...lol

spiderman is NOT EVEN CLOSE to superman in terms of anything. stop kidding yourself, cause seriously people are gonna laugh at you if you keep saying what your saying.

Originally posted by Mindship
More instances...

In "Matrix Reloaded," who do they compare Neo to when he's flying?
"He's doing his (all together now) Superman thing."
(implying, of course, that 200 years in the future, Big Blue is still well-known).

In "The Iron Giant," when the robot is about to sacrifice itself against a nuke to save a town, whom does it imagine itself to be?
"...(all together now)...Superman..."

Spiderman and Batman are great characters: Spiderman is my number #4 fave (years ago was number #1), and Batman...I love how he uses his brains to defeat much more powerful opponents (including the Big "S"😉. But even They tip their hats (masks?) to (all together now)...

Though I do concede: there is this batman but none for TMoS.

How dare you forget the scene in the goonies! 😆

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 let them laugh. I wipe my a$$ w/what people here think of me to be honest w/you. I didn't notice any name calling. That's good, we're all having a civilized discussion here.

I agree. Namecalling isn't needed...and leds to 100-page+ arguements.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Supes might indeed be more well known than Spidey

Replace "might" with IS. AGAIN, the Superman signia is DIRECTLY behind the CRUXFIX. The HOLY CROSS. That's how well-known he is. Spider-Man has some popularity in the Western civilization but in the REST of the world? Please. He's just a guy swinging around with Silly Putty.

Originally posted by brainchild81
but I seriously doubt he's more well liked. I've not been abroad enough to know what people think about him, but in America(Supes homeland, what matters most to him) Spidey runs this s**t!!!!! Seriously, when you see kids in your city wearing shirts w/superheroes on them, who do you see? Ask these kids who their favorite superhero is. It's most likely gonna be Spidey. When not, it's usually Batman, @ least that's how it is here in P-town. There's actually Spider-Man graffiti 'round my old way.

Honey. This is what is called ethnocentrism. In your "hood" Spider-Man may be the biggest thing. But in the rest of the world, no way in hell. In Japan, Superman is the most popular superhero. There DOZENS of parodies based on him. The most well-known being Goku. In Africa, Superman is nearly a religous idol. Children see him as a symbol of hope against the despair in their horrible lives. In the friggin United Nations, the UNITED NATIONS, there is plaque dedicated to Superman. No other superhero has ever had such a cultural, societal, political and psychological impact as Superman. Millions of books have been written in the study of Superman mythology. Hell, there graduate studies on Superman.

Enough already. You don't have to like Superman. But to undergrade his relevance to the world is just low and petty.

And here's a sidenote, if Superman had NEVER existed, Spider-Man wouldn't either. And we certainly wouldn't be posting here.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Again people I'm talking about popularity, not how well known you are. Spider-Man is THE most popular superhero.

No. He isn't. And he never will be. What's next on your agenda? Saying Brahman is more popular than Jesus? Cause that's a direct analogy to this arguement.

Originally posted by Draco69
I agree. Namecalling isn't needed...and leds to 100-page+ arguements.

Replace "might" with IS. AGAIN, the Superman signia is DIRECTLY behind the CRUXFIX. The HOLY CROSS. That's how well-known he is. Spider-Man has some popularity in the Western civilization but in the REST of the world? Please. He's just a guy swinging around with Silly Putty.

Honey. This is what is called ethnocentrism. In your "hood" Spider-Man may be the biggest thing. But in the rest of the world, no way in hell. In Japan, Superman is the most popular superhero. There DOZENS of parodies based on him. The most well-known being Goku. In Africa, Superman is nearly a religous idol. Children see him as a symbol of hope against the despair in their horrible lives. In the friggin United Nations, the UNITED NATIONS, there is plaque dedicated to Superman. No other superhero has ever had such a cultural, societal, political and psychological impact as Superman. Millions of books have been written in the study of Superman mythology. Hell, there graduate studies on Superman.

Enough already. You don't have to like Superman. But to undergrade his relevance to the world is just low and petty.

And here's a sidenote, if Superman had NEVER existed, Spider-Man wouldn't either. And we certainly wouldn't be posting here.

Batman is better. If it weren't for Batman, Superman would be dead right now, along with the rest of the DC universe.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist. How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments? Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi. Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you. Goku might have some inspiration from Supes(there was a comedy character dressed like Supe in some of the earlier episodes shown as a weakling), but there's an Chinese "monkey king legend" that's mostly responsible. It's usually a character w/a pole who may or may not float on a cloud. See monkey magic(a short lived series here) or that Son character from Marvel VS Capcom(has a pole and morphs into a giant ape) or
Xin Legend of the monkey king. Look @ that, ol' brainchild's "preachin', teachin' the people f'sure"

Xin is a bad-ass.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How dare you forget the scene in the goonies! 😆

Damn...I'm slippin' 🤣

Also forgot...Mighty Mouse! "Here I come to save the day...!"
(though there was Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse!)

With regard to our differences of opinion, Superman himself would say (as I'm sure Spiderman would too--not so sure about Bats 😉 )...
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."

Originally posted by brainchild81
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist. How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments? Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi. Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you. Goku might have some inspiration from Supes(there was a comedy character dressed like Supe in some of the earlier episodes shown as a weakling), but there's an Chinese "monkey king legend" that's mostly responsible. It's usually a character w/a pole who may or may not float on a cloud. See monkey magic(a short lived series here) or that Son character from Marvel VS Capcom(has a pole and morphs into a giant ape) or
Xin Legend of the monkey king. Look @ that, ol' brainchild's "preachin', teachin' the people f'sure"

first off DRAGONBALL is based on the monkey king legend. DRAGONBALL Z is based more on superman.

dont you see an odd similarity between these 2 stories.

Superman:

an alien from the planet krypton, has an alien name (kal-el) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

Goku:

an alien from the planet Vegeta, has an alien name (kakarot) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

hummm, a little the same, wouldn't you say?

second, although superman not existing doesn't necessarily mean that other super hero's like spiderman would not exist, superman is indeed the cause of it.

all the comic book authors (stan lee for example) grew up reading super hero comics like superman. then there was a slump in the sales of superhero comics being sold. stan lee had always like super hero's (from which superman was the first very popular one) and so he wrote a few super hero comics (one being spiderman) this eventually led to the creation of marvel comics.

whether you want to admit it or not superman was the inspiration for ALL comic book hero's to come after him. would they exist had he not been created? hard to say (although chances are another super hero would have been taken his place) the point is superman is the inspiration and basis for ALL super hero and super hero comics to come after him.

he is THE super hero. i mean, thats where they got the name super hero from..lol

he is SUPERman.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist.

Um. NO. Please. Superman started the superhero genre. Hell he started comics in general. Face facts. Spider-Man wouldn't exist if it were not for Superman.

Originally posted by brainchild81
How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments?

Honesty is a virtue...

Um. No. I'm not saying he's the "best" because he was the first superhero. I'm saying he's most well-known. A fact you simply have trouble grasping...

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi.

Boo-hoo. And your point is....?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you.

You obviously failed logistical mathematics. Let's say we have two different types of sodas: Pepsi and Frosh. Pepsi is more well-known. More people drink it. More people know people who drink it. It's called the multiplier effect. Let's say the world is comprised of say 10 people. 9 out ten people know what Pepsi is and only three people out 10 people know what Frosh is. Based on this which drink is more popular. Yeah. Exactly.

More well-known EQUALS More popular.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
first off DRAGONBALL is based on the monkey king legend. DRAGONBALL Z is based more on superman.

dont you see an odd similarity between these 2 stories.

Superman:

an alien from the planet krypton, has an alien name (kal-el) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

Goku:

an alien from the planet Vegeta, has an alien name (kakarot) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.

hummm, a little the same, wouldn't you say?

second, although superman not existing doesn't necessarily mean that other super hero's like spiderman would not exist, superman is indeed the cause of it.

all the comic book authors (stan lee for example) grew up reading super hero comics like superman. then there was a slump in the sales of superhero comics being sold. stan lee had always like super hero's (from which superman was the first very popular one) and so he wrote a few super hero comics (one being spiderman) this eventually led to the creation of marvel comics.

whether you want to admit it or not superman was the inspiration for ALL comic book hero's to come after him. would they exist had he not been created? hard to say (although chances are another super hero would have been taken his place) the point is superman is the inspiration and basis for ALL super hero and super hero comics to come after him.

he is THE super hero. i mean, thats where they got the name super hero from..lol

he is SUPERman.

And where Spider-MAN got the MAN from.

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. NO. Please. Superman started the superhero genre. Hell he started comics in general. Face facts. Spider-Man wouldn't exist if it were not for Superman

Originally posted by Draco69

You obviously failed logistical mathematics. Let's say we have two different types of sodas: Pepsi and Frosh. Pepsi is more well-known. More people drink it. More people know people who drink it. It's called the multiplier effect. Let's say the world is comprised of say 10 people. 9 out ten people know what Pepsi is and only three people out 10 people know what Frosh is. Based on this which drink is more popular. Yeah. Exactly.

More well-known EQUALS More popular.

from dictionary.com
pop·u·lar ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ppy-lr)
adj.
Widely liked or appreciated: a popular resort.
-Liked by acquaintances; sought after for company: “Beware of over-great pleasure in being popular or even beloved” (Margaret Fuller).
-Of, representing, or carried on by the people at large: the popular vote.
-Fit for, adapted to, or reflecting the taste of the people at large: popular entertainment; popular science.
-Accepted by or prevalent among the people in general: a popular misunderstanding of the issue.
-Suited to or within the means of ordinary people: popular prices.
Originating among the people: popular legend.

& for that pointless soda thing, if those 3 people like Frosh and less than 3 people like Pepsi. Frosh is more popular. If everybody in the world knows and hates you, you're less popular than the guy who's liked and known only by his parents. More well-known does not EQUAL More popular. More well-liked EQUALS More popular. Got it?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Next time you visit that alternate universe, bring me back some Rum and toilet paper.

Ah. But no such alternate universe exists. Saying that Spider-Man would exist without Superman is like saying that Nancy Drew would exist without Sherlock Holmes. If the beginning of the comic-book genre never came to past thus a product of the comic-book genre can thusly never exist.

Not to mention Stan Lee delibrately tried to create a anti-thesis to Superman by subtracting ideals of previously heralded principles of what a superhero should and can be.

And as the previous poster mentioned, how can a SUPERhero exist with SUPERman?

You're just being incredibly stubborn on this point...

Proving again that you don't know what popular means and thus are unfit to argue w/me about popularity. I'll try to edify you again.

Originally posted by brainchild81

& for that pointless soda thing, if those 3 people like Frosh and less than 3 people like Pepsi. Frosh is more popular. If everybody in the world knows and hates you, you're less popular than the guy who's liked and known only by his parents. More well-known does not EQUAL More popular. More well-liked EQUALS More popular. Got it?

Again. You must have failed logistical mathematics. THINK. If a larger amount of people have no idea Spider-Man exists than he loses a greater amount of people to like (or hate) him because they have no idea he exists. Superman on the hand is known by damn near everyone. Thus of his pool of potential likers is far, far greater Spider-Man.

Again. Let me try to make this as simple as it can be for you:

The world is represented by 100 people. Of all 100 people, they know who and what Superman is. 5 people know who and what Spider-Man is. Now you brought up a vaild point that people may know who Superman is but they may also hate him. So Spider-Man according to your deeply mistaken assumptions is by default much more popular. But you failed to think this through. Remember that Superman has a FAR greater pool of people to either like or dislike Spider-Man. Spider-Man has a very small pool of people to like (yes it may not seem possible to you but dislike the character as well). So if 100 people know Superman and 75% hate him. How many people like Superman? 25. Let's try again. Let's say 90% of 100 people know Superman but also hate him. How many like Superman? 10. Let's draw an even more impossible scenario where 95% of 100 people know and hate Superman. How many still like Superman? Five which is tied to the ratio of people who have the slightest clue who Spider-Man is. The reason Superman is more popular in the world is simply because he is more well-known. More people can hate him...but more people can LIKE him as well. His "pool of potential popularity/impopularity" is simply far greater than Spider-Man's. What if those who know Spider-Man hate him in favor of Wolverine? The ONLY way Spider-Man can even hope to be close to or even in impossible scenario match Superman in popularity is that EVERYONE who knows Spiderm-Man must like him as well. Your poor bias failed to implement that Spider-Man as well has people who don't like him.

Simple mathematics. And it doesn't lie.

Originally posted by Draco69
Ah. But no such alternate universe exists. Saying that Spider-Man would exist without Superman is like saying that Nancy Drew would exist without Sherlock Holmes. If the beginning of the comic-book genre never came to past thus a product of the comic-book genre can thusly never exist.

Not to mention Stan Lee delibrately tried to create a anti-thesis to Superman by subtracting ideals of previously heralded principles of what a superhero should and can be.

And as the previous poster mentioned, how can a SUPERhero exist with SUPERman?

You're just being incredibly stubborn on this point...

Again. You must have failed logistical mathematics. THINK. If a larger amount of people have no idea Spider-Man exists than he loses a greater amount of people to like (or hate) him because they have no idea he exists. Superman on the hand is known by damn near everyone. Thus of his pool of potential likers is far, far greater Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Draco69

Again. Let me try to make this as simple as it can be for you:

The world is represented by 100 people. Of all 100 people, they know who and what Superman is. 5 people know who and what Spider-Man is. Now you brought up a vaild point that people may know who Superman is but they may also hate him. So Spider-Man according to your deeply mistaken assumptions is by default much more popular. But you failed to think this through. Remember that Superman has a FAR greater pool of people to either like or dislike Spider-Man. Spider-Man has a very small pool of people to like (yes it may not seem possible to you but dislike the character as well). So if 100 people know Superman and 75% hate him. How many people like Superman? 25. Let's try again. Let's say 90% of 100 people know Superman but also hate him. How many like Superman? 10. Let's draw an even more impossible scenario where 95% of 100 people know and hate Superman. How many still like Superman? Five which is tied to the ratio of people who have the slightest clue who Spider-Man is. The reason Superman is more popular in the world is simply because he is more well-known. More people can hate him...but more people can LIKE him as well. His "pool of potential popularity/impopularity" is simply far greater than Spider-Man's. What if those who know Spider-Man hate him in favor of Wolverine? The ONLY way Spider-Man can even hope to be close to or even in impossible scenario match Superman in popularity is that EVERYONE who knows Spiderm-Man must like him as well. Your poor bias failed to implement that Spider-Man as well has people who don't like him.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spider-Man is THE most popular superhero.

here is an example of what were trying to tell you brainchild81.

in the Spiderman movie (the first one) SUPERMAN IS MENTIONED!

IN A MARVEL COMICS MOVIE! how popular and influential is that?

I dont know the quote exactly but its something like

aunt may to peter:

"You do too much, school, a job, your not Superman you know!"

THATS what were trying to say to you, i mean superman is mentioned in a movie about the very character you say is more popular, and Marvel and DC are competing comics! even they are giving credit to superman, because he is the only person to give credit too. he IS the greatest superhero and he IS the superhero who gave birth to other superheroes. but more importantly he goes beyond popularity, he is a legend, a symbol he is the very definition of what it means to be a superhero, because he made that definition what it is today.

THATS what were trying to get you to understand. please, stop trying to say otherwise, your just sounding dumb.

Bravo(the show was listing the ULTIMATE superheroes and Spidey won) and Wizard(Greatest of all time list, again Spidey won, noticing a trend here? Supes didn't even make #2) think otherwise. I've seen the Spidey flicks(the upcoming Supes movie will not stack up to either film box office wise. Quote me on that and if I'm wrong, feel free to rub it in my face). There's also a scene where Spidey runs down the street and takes off his shirt the way Supes does. I think those scenes are designed to evoke a chuckle from the viewers. I've heard Rami was a Superman fan also. & do you realize that that quote is one of the reasons why Spidey is so popular? Because he's not Superman. Also in a recent Batman & Superman book, Supes saved a girl falling off a bridge for a stealthy looking guy w/six arms. I've got nothing against Supes fans, but seriously guys, Supes isn't even the #1 guy in DC, how is he the most popular hero?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Bravo(the show was listing the ULTIMATE superheroes and Spidey won) and Wizard(Greatest of all time list, again Spidey won, noticing a trend here? Supes didn't even make #2) think otherwise. I've seen the Spidey flicks(the upcoming Supes movie will not stack up to either film box office wise. Quote me on that and if I'm wrong, feel free to rub it in my face). There's also a scene where Spidey runs down the street and takes off his shirt the way Supes does. I think those scenes are designed to evoke a chuckle from the viewers. I've heard Rami was a Superman fan also. & do you realize that that quote is one of the reasons why Spidey is so popular? Because he's not Superman. Also in a recent Batman & Superman book, Supes saved a girl falling off a bridge for a stealthy looking guy w/six arms. I've got nothing against Supes fans, but seriously guys, Supes isn't even the #1 guy in DC, how is he the most popular hero?

Popularity also works with people you love to hate. For example, you hate/dislike supes, yet you are always in the Supes forum. Supes is far more widely known, whether you love or hate the guy.

If they ever make a "Death of Spiderman" comic and it sells even half of what Death of Superman sold/sells, AND gets the same attention Superman got,I'd be surprised. Hell, the media made an issue about the guy changing his costume.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Popularity also works with people you love to hate. For example, you hate/dislike supes, yet you are always in the Supes forum.