YOUR confused? Me too!! I may be in over my head with either of you Biscuit or Strange Days, but I'm just wondering if we don't sell ourselves short by being too analytical and rely too much on words for meaning. Now thats a hell of a thing to say, I know, and something that might get one booted right off the faculty no matter what discipline one might be in, but, still, I propose that there is an ocean of experience that lies within us, unexplored, undiscovered, and yes, the nature of which is currently beyond mere words - but only because there is no consensus of experience - yet! Our entire Civilization rests on, is constructed from - a frame work of symbols, words, language. . . Is it so implausible to entertain the idea that, within the province of the mind, particularly in the realm of deep subjectivity, there is in fact a common ground of experience among individuals, a meeting of the mind so to speak, that affords intelligible communication that is more immediate than the trickle of information that is conveyed by mere words alone? I wonder. And I wonder if a quasi scientific approach could be adopted for the mapping of such new levels of experience so that eventually a consensus of experience is arrived at. It's just that we are so totally outward directed and have been for centuries, and to great effect as anyone would agree, what with the rapidly developing technologies that began with the industrial revolution and continued in the electronics revolution and now the information age and soon the revolution to be brought on as technology penetrates down to the nano level of manipulation. I love science & industry and all the new tools that spin out of basic research and new technology - it's a continuing grand adventure and I believe we will witness what seem to be modern day miracles in all areas of experience - BUT - imo, there are areas of research and ways or knowing that we haven't even begun to explore, and if my deep seated suspicions are anywhere near correct, it will be developments and advancements that occur in this direction that may be the most important for our future and lend us the power to go beyond the limits imposed by our current and future science for good ends. To me, "Love" can be looked at as a kind of force, from a pragmatic point of view, for the sake of this discussion only, because I know it sound silly describing love in this way, but nonetheless, I believe real love, as realized and created between two people, when steady and true, and other forms of a more generalized love, that perhaps we aren't even familiar with, is the gateway to a new technology that is multi-potential and maybe even infinite (eventually) in its ability to effect change in the so called "real" world - so that those who hearts are truly loving and properly oriented with synchronicity of purpose, have abilities to act on the world not from the outside but from underneath it, coming up from the common wellspring of all that is material, molecular, atomic, subatomic (quantum), quark patterned & string arrayed, finding the pathway up, up and up from such depths in reverse direction and thus into our objective surface reality. If it were possible to influence the world from that direction, underneath it all, then ANYTHING would be possible, and imo it is Love that is the force, the Key to unlocking the doorway to this most fundamental and deepest undifferentiated aspect of human travel and experience. Love then is the key to getting to the answers to all questions, problems and inquiries. We will continue to explore everything out here as normal, it's just that we will also be able to explore and discover and effect change from in here as well. This to me is the next evolutionary step for our society, our civilization and our species as a whole, and everyone will benefit.