Does it hurt when you die?

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PHYSICS:
Strings Unknot Problems in Particle Theory, Black Holes
James Glanz
PHILADELPHIA--String theory is going to work. This mathematical structure, based on 10-dimensional "strings" with vibrations and interactions that may describe the structure of our universe at its most fundamental level, has seemed remote from the problems other physicists grapple with. But reports at a meeting here showed that string theory sometimes opens the way to solving seemingly intractable problems in other realms of theory, such as where information is stored inside a black hole.

We investigate a one-dimensional antiferromagnetic Heisenberg model coupled to quantum lattice vibration by a quantum Monte Carlo method. For heavy mass, the lattice fluctuation can be regarded to be adiabatic and the system dimerizes at low temperature. On the other hand, for light mass, the lattice takes a uniform configuration on the thermal average and magnetic properties coincide with those of the uniform lattice system. These phenomena can be understood from the difference of the time scale of the motion between the spin and the lattice.

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This provides the first step" to devising better tests of Turin's theory, says biochemist Shuguang Zhang of M.I.T., whose lab is exploring the idea. "At least it shows the alternative theory is possible."

Is Sense of Smell Powered by Quantum Vibrations?
Controversial theory gets green light from physicists
By JR Minkel http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=is-sense-of-smell-powered

Turin says the strongest tests of his theory so far come from studies in which researchers replace an odorant atom with an isotope of that atom, which has a slightly different weight and changes the molecule's frequency of vibration. In animals his predictions hold up, but the evidence is mixed in people, he says....

fair enough

I'll spare you the trouble too, there are 2 or 3 theories that suppose quantum effects at certain parts of chemical reactions involved in neuron function. None of them hold up outside of theoretical models, and most of the models suppose very unlikely things.

Also, pragmatically, uncertain quantum phenomena having a role in neural activity would highly reduce the efficency of our brain (especially if it is involved in the ionic pathways responsible for action potential propogation).

Give a read here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16446022?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&dbfrom=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17959290?ordinalpos=6&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

find the articles if you can, very good papers

Re: Does it hurt when you die?

Originally posted by K.Diddy
Well what do guy's think?

Will you lay there and suffacte cause your lungs have stopped?

Would you feel your heart make it's last beat?

Would you see a ''vision'' or something scary before yop die?


It is individually. However, it is importent to remember that YOU are not reincarnated; your soul is. Your soul is on its own journey - it has been in other places before you and will travel on when you are gone. Even though all objects have a spiritual force connected to them, your soul can't trade places with any of them. You can be only in another body of human creature that is capable of continuing the process of attaintment. But that still leaves plenty of options open, don't you think?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Can neuron activity be influenced by outside vibrations? Everything has a vibration both visible and invisible. Vibrations or waves are just part of particle wave theory. They interact with everything. 🙂

http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=bst&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=A_Mighty_Wind&quote=vibration.txt&file=vibration.wav

Terry Bohner: "This is not an occult science. This is not one of those crazy, uh systems of divination and astrology. That's stuff's hooey and you gotta have a screw loose to go in for that sort of thing. Our s... Our, our, our beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand. Humankind is simply materialized color opperating on the 49th vibration. You would, uh. make that conclusion walking down the street or going to the store."

Come back in 50 years and tell me if some theories are wrong. I'll do the same.

Do you think if i overdose on an amount of pain killers high enough to send me in cardiac arrest that i would feel any pain?

nothing hurts when you die you are taken over by a spirt that makes you feel free

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Do you think if i overdose on an amount of pain killers high enough to send me in cardiac arrest that i would feel any pain?

Nice! clapping

My answer:
Yes, it may hurt if I'm bleeding to death because of a rusty iron rod piercing my perineum.

Can you imagine the emotional or spiritual anguish of a person who knows they are going to die when they are not prepared to do so?

Guess I would depend on your type of death. Me, well I hope I die quickly of course. If the plane is falling from the sky I am sure I can count on the oxygen depletion and pass out first. 😎

Otherwise I'd just like to bleed out.
OR:
have my heart stop
OR:
get hit by a car that I don't know is coming.
OR:
Get shot in the head from behind and not know it.

Guess what I am saying is that I don't want to see it happening........just let it happen...lol

I'm don't know,
but if they try to resuscitate you with a defibrillator,
I figure that's gotta hurt.

i think that sooner or later we all will found out!
I personaly take life as a climbing of a mountain:
when your are born - you are at the base of the mountaint!!
when you are 33-34 - the age in which jesus died - you are in your peak - you are on the top of the mountain -
when you are in your old years - you are in coming down from the mountain, and shit!
My idea is - i think that dying is the same as being born, only the process reversed! I think the pain will be felt the same, as a baby feels his first breath / when dying - last breath, a baby feels his hirst heart stroke/ when dying - last stroke (do u remember all that ? do you remember your first breath, and first heart stroke - i think not!! SO no i don't think that the process of shutting your vital functions will hurt! no, but after we are dead, we will face God and he will judge us for our doing when we were alive, i think that God is the true answer, if ya all accept God - you don't need to be scared of anything!!! that was from me!!!

btw i think taht michael jackson was high, he passed out and then he died, thats an awsome way to die!

The Dying Process

As technology helps us to live longer, it will also shape how we die. With a higher-brain definition of death, you're gone when your personality is. With a whole-brain definition of death, you've lost the ability to breathe on your own again. Each breath provides the oxygen necessary for survival to the rest of the body. Very simply, dying starts to happen when your body doesn't get the oxygen it needs to survive.

Different cells die at different speeds, so the length of the dying process depends on which cells are deprived of oxygen. The brain requires a tremendous amount of oxygen but keeps very little in reserve, so any cutoff of oxygen to the brain will result in cell death within three to seven minutes; that's why a stroke can kill so quickly. When blood is cut off from the heart, a heart attack occurs and can also take a life fairly swiftly. But since our bodies aren't designed to last forever, sometimes the body's systems just simply wear out. When someone dies of extremely old age, and the family is gathered around the deathbed, you're basically observing the breakdown of these systems.

There are some outward signs that these systems are slowing down. The person will begin sleeping more to conserve the little energy that's left. When that energy is gone, the individual may lose the desire to eat and then to drink. Swallowing becomes difficult and the mouth gets very dry, so forcing the person to eat or drink could cause choking. The dying person loses bladder and bowel control, but accidents will occur less frequently as those gastrointestinal functions shut down as well and he or she consumes less.

elderly woman asleep in hospital bed
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As death nears, measures can be taken to make the patient more comfortable.

Any _pain that the dying person feels at this point can usually be managed by a doctor in some way, but it can be unbelievably difficult to watch these final steps of a person's life. The stage right before a person dies is called the agonal phase. The dying person is often disoriented, and it will seem like he or she can't get comfortable. It will also seem, disconcertingly, that the person can't catch a breath. There may be agonizing pauses between loud, labored breaths. If there is fluid built up in the lungs, then that congestion will cause a sound known as the death rattle. As the cells inside a person lose their connections, the person may start convulsing or having muscle spasms.

We can't know exactly how the person is feeling at this point, though those who have had near-death experiences (NDE) seem to agree that the process isn't painful. NDEs appear to have some common characteristics, including a feeling of peace and well-being, a sense of separation from the physical body and a sensation of walking through darkness to enter light. You can read more about NDEs in How Near-death Experiences Work.

Some doctors think that a near-death experience might be due to endorphins that the body releases at the actual moment of death [source: Nuland]. When the heartbeat and breath stop, the person is clinically dead. There's no circulation, and no new reserves of oxygen are reaching cells. However, clinical death also denotes that this is a point where the process is reversible, by means of CPR, a transfusion or a ventilator.

The point of no return is biological death, which begins about four to six minutes after clinical death. After the heartbeat stops, it only takes that long for brain cells to begin dying from lack of oxygen. Resuscitation is impossible at this point.

What you think has happened to the essence of the person at this point is dependent on your religious and cultural beliefs. But as our examination of the postmortem body on the next page will reveal, there's not a lot of time for sitting around and staring at the corpse.

Does death physically hurt? I would argue that it depends on how you die. Obviously, if you're vaporized via a nuclear bomb, you wouldn't feel a thing. If you are suffering through a disease such as cancer, then some discomfort would inevitably be involved. However, pain medications do help with the discomfort. My mother died with lung related complications. She could not breathe on her on, so she was required to use an oxygen machine with a tube directly inserted into her lungs. Eventually, her lungs failed entirely and the machine could no longer sustain her, so she had to be removed from it. I was there when she died. When they removed her from the machine, she seemed to go peacefully...which I'm grateful for. However, I couldn't tell with absolute certainty unless I was in her situation. I'm not sure how numb her pain receptors were through all the morphine that was given to her. I had to make a judgment based on what I witnessed and the testimony of the doctors and nurses that said she wouldn't feel anything.

In general, I say that you will not feel much if you are under a qualified doctor's care. However, death would be a different experience for everyone, I would imagine.

I remember reading something years back in school about this.

Something about the body dying due to just one organ completely failing. Like you can die via organ failure and have all of the organs still healthy and fully functioning at around the time of natural death. (jeez, hurry up stem cell)

if it's natural old age death i see it as a super calm slipping or "passing" into a sleep you'll never wake up from.

if it's desease death i see it and mildy painful/euphoric then the slipping into sleeping.

blunt trauma, well, i know you can't die of pain, your body'd go into shock before slipping into unconsiousness with pain. But i figure it be intensely painfull for less than a minute before you go into shock, then slip away moments later.

drowning, i read how drowing seemingly induces euphoria just seconds before passing out and how the worst part of drowing may be you paniking. And something about your lungs will sear for under 10 seconds but after that your home free.

instant death, well, pain is zero no matter the way.

my take.

Well a lot of people have done it so it can´t be that bad🙂

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Well a lot of people have done it so it can´t be that bad🙂

LOL a lot of people you say, do you mean that they are people who didn't die 😆 💃 😉

maybe it depends how you die...

Originally posted by simosimosimo
LOL a lot of people you say, do you mean that they are people who didn't die 😆 💃 😉

No, a lot of people have died. They managed it and never complained si it can´t be too bad. 😆