Originally posted by golem370
I see your saying that three aspects make up a Supreme Being but them alone this only a piece of the pie.
An aspect is equivalent to a face. You can have many aspects and still be an omnipotent power. The Spectre is like the embodiment of Yahweh's wrath. At full power, he is almighty. That team will go down.
Originally posted by Illustrious
An aspect is equivalent to a face. You can have many aspects and still be an omnipotent power. The Spectre is like the embodiment of Yahweh's wrath. At full power, he is almighty. That team will go down.
Obviously. Fighting the Spectre at full power is pointless. You're fighting God.
The Spectre Wins easily.
the way I believe DC has everything to do with God is. Yahweh the Father, The Presence = The Holy Spirit, The Word(The Logos) = The Son, The Source = Gods Will (which i believe to be TOAA in Marvel/DC).
The Presence proceeds from Yahweh as Life/Hope/Light. Everything in the DC universe was created out of Chaos and Darkness(The Great Beast), The Darkness couldn't comprehend it (which is shown in the Bible and in Lucifer comics). If Yahweh was to ever leave the DC Universe he would simply breath the Presence back into himself because it his breath that gives life to everything anyway.
When Michael when to talk to God he went to see The Presence. That is as close as ever that anyone will ever come to talking to Yahweh
Originally posted by kevdude
The Spectre Wins easily.
the way I believe DC has everything to do with God is. Yahweh the Father, The Presence = The Holy Spirit, The Word(The Logos) = The Son, The Source = Gods Will (which i believe to be TOAA in Marvel/DC).The Presence proceeds from Yahweh as Life/Hope/Light. Everything in the DC universe was created out of Chaos and Darkness(The Great Beast), The Darkness couldn't comprehend it (which is shown in the Bible and in Lucifer comics). If Yahweh was to ever leave the DC Universe he would simply breath the Presence back into himself because it his breath that gives life to everything anyway.
When Michael when to talk to God he went to see The Presence. That is as close as ever that anyone will ever come to talking to Yahweh
Why do you keep equating TOAA to the Source/Gods will? Thats completely unfounded.
Also when Michael wanted to go and see his "father" he went to the Presence. Either way this is irrelevant.
No its not irrelevant, The Holy Spirit shines out from Yahweh himself. some could say Yahweh uses it (The Presence/The Holy Spirit) as a hand. Also have u really shown anything that says The Source is not TOAA??? Nope.
Also when Michael did want to go see his "father" he went to see The Presence because it is his Father understand??? The Presence itself is not on the Throne, Yahweh is on the Throne. If Yahweh was to ever leave the DCU (which is happening rit now) he could just leave the universe and his Presence would leave also.
When Asmodel went looking for The Presence and tried to kill it, Zauriel told him The Presence was not a physical Lord that sat on a Throne (Yahweh is the 1 sitting on the Throne which has been stated repeatedly in Lucifer). The Presence/Holy Spirit has a female aspect called the Shechina.
If you would like a DC site to go to GS to understand it more here u go. Has all the info to back me up.
http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=presence
http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=zauriel
If you want to do your own research online/or bible what is the Holy Spirit, then you can. It says everything I have said is true.
Owned 😎
Originally posted by kevdude
No its not irrelevant,
Considering the position of the Presence in the Christian trinity has nothing whatsoever to do with the Spectre and /or the outcome of this thread as aforementioned this is very irrelevant.
However if its an education you want sit back and listen up as its laid down in a way only GS can. 😱
Originally posted by kevdude
The Holy Spirit shines out from Yahweh himself. some could say Yahweh uses it (The Presence/The Holy Spirit) as a hand. Also have u really shown anything that says The Source is not TOAA??? Nope.
Do not presume to lecture me on the Judeo/Christian trinity or the the botched Kaballah application DC has used for its cosmology. Youve made it quite clear that your grasp of the subject matter is basic at best.
You have the Unknowable, the Unmanifest God who is beyond conceptualization. It does not manifest into creation directly. It works through emanation points, aspects of itself which descend into creation. In DC this unmanifest supreme being is Yahweh, in Marvel it is TOAA. TOAA has never been revealed or represented on panel, as far as we know LT has never met him but merely serves him/it. You have no evidence therefore to equate TOAA to an aspect of the supreme being as opposed to the Unmanifest, which considering the fact that TOAA hasnt been revealed/represented and the fact that aspects of the supreme being are very much active in Marvel (i.e Phoenix) is far more likely the case. Furthermore it is not my job to prove something is not the case, it is your job to prove something is very much the case. You have yet to come up with goods and until such times when that is no longer the case silence on the matter is advisable.
Originally posted by kevdude
[BAlso when Michael did want to go see his "father" he went to see The Presence because it is his Father understand???[/B]
Precisely as i said BEFORE you:
Originally posted by GalacticStormAlso when Michael wanted to go and see his "father" he went to the Presence. Either way this is irrelevant.
So dont play like you're informing me about anything.
Considering you previously said
Originally posted by kevdudeWhen Michael when to talk to God he went to see The Presence.
It appears the opposite is true.
Out of all the aspects Michael considers Presence his father:
So if we were going to apply the Christian trinity (which we really shouldnt be doing to a Kaballah based cosmology) then it seems i was right in equating Presence to "the Father" Now that we're on the same page lets continue shall we?🙂
Originally posted by kevdude
The Presence itself is not on the Throne, Yahweh is on the Throne. If Yahweh was to ever leave the DCU (which is happening rit now) he could just leave the universe and his Presence would leave also.
Keter means crown.It is the crown of creation,because it stays on top of creation without being part of it,as the crown over the head.Source of All,and the Highest Divine Essence that we can conceive.Every Sephirah is a gate, and Keter is the gate between the Unmanifest and the world
The Divine name of Keter is Eheieh (I Am) which is rendered as Pure Being,or Presence
In the physical world it is represented by the Primum Mobile or the First Whirlings of Manifestation,a phase that describes the action of the cosmic energy at the creation of the universe (Big Bang/Phoenix in Marvel)
The throne/Primum mobile is only a representation of Presence you take it too literally my friend. As Presence is Yahweh of course if Yahweh decides to cut all ties with the DC universe then his essence/aspects are going to leave as well. I fail to see what point you were trying to make. 😕
You seem a bit confused with the concepts in play here Kev. Its cool. GS is kind enough to explain it all. You only have to ask.
Originally posted by kevdude
When Asmodel went looking for The Presence and tried to kill it, Zauriel told him The Presence was not a physical Lord that sat on a Throne (Yahweh is the 1 sitting on the Throne which has been stated repeatedly in Lucifer).
Yes because the Presence is represented by the Primum Mobile as ive said many times before. It is not and never has been a physical being. Its just how Yahwehs Presence aspect represents itself into creation. Similar to how in Marvel the Crown is represented by Phoenix. Why are you telling me what i know of already? There was no need for you to say all of this when it wasnt referred to at all in this thread and has no bearing on the threads outcome. You thought you'd be pretentious and attempt to show us all how much you think you know. Its quite apparent you have nothing to teach me. 😉
Originally posted by kevdude
If you would like a DC site to go to GS to understand it more here u go. Has all the info to back me up.
http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=presence
http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=zaurielIf you want to do your own research online/or bible what is the Holy Spirit, then you can. It says everything I have said is true.
You presume too much boy. Many have tried and many have failed. Youre now just another addition to that list. 🙁
I'm not on your list 🙂. I already knew all those things, I was just giving out info to everyone so they would know how DC has it set up. DC set up that they have the Christian trinity I didn't set that up. DC also has it set up that they can have other Gods but they still have the real God who created everything.
Anyway its good talking to someone who understands religion, most people don't understand (I didn't until a few months ago looking online and at other things).
Originally posted by kevdude
I'm not on your list 🙂. I already knew all those things, I was just giving out info to everyone so they would know how DC has it set up. DC set up that they have the Christian trinity I didn't set that up. DC also has it set up that they can have other Gods but they still have the real God who created everything.
Well by all appearances you didnt know all of that stuff or the countering of your previous post would have been unnecessary, which it was not. You presented your opinion as fact and then presumed to lecture me with those inacccuracies. With all that aside i set the record straight so at least you now know for the future not to make assumptions on my knowledge. Just in case you were wondering, yes congratulations are in order you still made the list. 🙂
Originally posted by kevdude
Anyway its good talking to someone who understands religion, most people don't understand (I didn't until a few months ago looking online and at other things).
Hmmmmm 😉 Whatever you say Kev 😄
Originally posted by FanboyNo more like Golem trying to create another thread to say that because he believes that there can be no Surpreme being then therefore something that embodies him and at full power is basically him can loose.
Wow another thread so this fanboy of Marvel can just sit there and smile thinking oh my god I am a genius this team could totally beat this guy oh yeah Marvel baby whoo whoo okay Spectre wins yay.
