''In Proft we trust'' - The corporate responsibility of tobacco companies.

Originally posted by debbiejo
People need in get self educated on things themselves.....It's called taking responsibility for themselves.....again and again people won't and then sue.........Hey Mc Donald's coffee is hot.....gee, do you want it cold....oh should we post a label on it "Coffee is hot, beware"...ok it's not on there....OH, it burned me.....So I'll just sue you.....People need to start opening up their little tiny brains and do some thinking before engaging in anything.

Oh, oh. Not the McDonald's coffee story again.

I feel a Stella awards thread coming on!

Yes, it's Mc Donald's, Rifle, tobacco, and anything else people can think of to sue.

They are doing their responsibility, it's now know to anyone who hasn't lived in a cave for the last 20 years that smoking kills people, they put warnings right on the box that say it causes cancer and blah blah.

As far as light cigarettes go, just because it's "light" doesn't mean one should deduce that it's any healthier then normal cigarettes, just that it has less of a certain aspect then the normal cigarettes.

A cancer stick is a cancer stick...advertise it the way it the way it is...not as being less likely to kill you. which corporations are not doing.

Originally posted by eggmayo
Most people in England think smoking weed is more dangerous than cigarettes. 😐

i know, they are so stupid, god if weed was more harmful i know i would be dead. Only crazy eople are in danger to weed. Eggmayo is always right i love you man.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well can we be sure that it isnÜt?

The term 'corporate responsibility', when applied to most corporations, is nothing more than a oxymoron. Corporations, despite being recognised by law as a 'person', show none of the traits of a responsible member of society. Rather, they act like psychopaths who show total disregard for well-being of the society - and world - in which they are part of.

Blaming people for their bad choices is fair, but it is important to first let everyone know exactly what they are doing to themselves. With-holding information that would substantially affect a person's choice is wrong and should be punished. Unfortuantely, the largest corporations are the people who are responsible for getting presidents and prime ministers into office - through their ludicrous 'donations' - so genuine corporate responsibility is unlikely to be seen anytime soon.

Originally posted by debbiejo
People should be aware of the risks of anything they do............

For the spam-bloated idiots:

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This isn't about weather its good to smoke or not, its about Corporate responsibility - do you believe Tobacco Industry is responsible enough?Do you believe they are knowingly risking the health and life of general public in the name of profit?

Of course they're doing it for profit. Hence why cigarettes are still legal. They won't stop distributing them purely because they make so much money.

If you choose to smoke, it's your deal. The packets don't buy themselves. If you choose to smoke, you're choosing to do damage to your own body. If you're stupid enough to think that there are any good kind of legal cigarettes, you deserve what you get.

-AC

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
But, people are stupid. I addressed that in my last post. The reality is that the warning placed on the cigarettes states, no matter the flavor/brand/light/medium/etc, that the cigarette will kill you in the long run.

Clorox doesn't tell you how the liquid will kill you...just that it's harful or fatal if swallowed. How much is enough?

Yes, but that is irrelevant. Thats not what my question is about. People's stupidity is irrelevant. They smoke because they chose to.

My question is, are the corperation doing their bit of work.

Do you think its absolutey fine that people believe that smoking ''light'' or ''medium'' cigarettes is better for them and will help them quit, while 'light' or 'medium' cause as much harm as normal, yet Corporation are letting it slide in the name of profit. Do you think its OK to let people believe its better for them, when its not?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Of course they're doing it for profit. Hence why cigarettes are still legal. They won't stop distributing them purely because they make so much money.

If you choose to smoke, it's your deal. The packets don't buy themselves. If you choose to smoke, you're choosing to do damage to your own body. If you're stupid enough to think that there are any good kind of legal cigarettes, you deserve what you get.

-AC

I wasn't asking if why they are doing it - them doing it for profit is non-nagotiable - of course they are, that is the goal. My question, is are the Corporates doing their bit.

Let me clarify my question again for everyone...

The question is NOT - Are Corporations guilty for people smoking?
That is NOT what im interested in.

The questiopn IS - Are Corporations doing enough to alert the people of what is put in their product?

Noone, apart from Ya Krunk'd Floo offered anything even close to what i was asking.

Originally posted by BackFire
They are doing their responsibility, it's now know to anyone who hasn't lived in a cave for the last 20 years that smoking kills people, they put warnings right on the box that say it causes cancer and blah blah.

As far as light cigarettes go, just because it's "light" doesn't mean one should deduce that it's any healthier then normal cigarettes, just that it has less of a certain aspect then the normal cigarettes.

People smoking 'lights' and 'medium' knowing that they are just as bad as a regular cigarette, is different to people smoking 'light' and 'medium' thinking it will be better for them and an oppertunity to get themselfs less addicted.

Originally posted by soleran30
I don't think it would stop anyone from smoking "lights" people enjoy the feeling it induces.......

Anyway I hate cigarettes, cigars, dip, chew.......the tobacco industry is bad however freedom to choose is imporant.......

I just wish that people that choose this route would have a better grasp of what they are really doing (costing the rest of the population TONS in healthcare)

So anyway Lil I think most of the tobacco industries advertising comes from word of mouth and so many people do it because others do it.....at least here in the Mid-West USA....its like the marboro red smokers capital of the world it seems.

I answered. They do their bit.

Considering that you didnt know there is such a thing as Corporate Law which forbids companies from selling products which are harmfull and without a warning, i doubt you did andswer the question i wanted.

Soleran30 did however.

Anyway, for the rest, check this out -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4073470.stm

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Considering that you didnt know there is such a thing as Corporate Law which forbids companies from selling products which are harmfull and without a warning, i doubt you did andswer the question i wanted.

Soleran30 did however.

Anyway, for the rest, check this out -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4073470.stm

Haha, you need to understand just because you said that there isn't corporate Law that I didn't know there isn't. But enlighten me, how is it handled with Corporate Law and the Tobacco industry? Hmm, seems like they do it according to that Law...so what's your point? And I thought we were talking aboot our opinions and NOT aboot the current Law, so again I fail to see your (non-existing) point.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Now if the Government would create a law that for example forcces Tobacco Companies to proint a warnign on their Cigarettes (like it is currently done in the EU) that would be alright. But if there is no such law why the hell should the coorporations care.

^^ How can you possibly comment on wether Corporation are responsible enough, if you don't know what their responsibility is to begin with?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
do you believe Tobacco Industry is responsible enough?
Do you believe they are knowingly risking the health and life of general public in the name of profit?

Discuss.

I am pretty sure my own opinion very much enables me to answer your question. Which I did, if you want to change the question to "Do you know what the law is", that's fine with me, but what you aslked in your initial post has nothing to do with the current state of the law. And that I ddint mention Corporate Law (which probably is very different from German to Anglo-Saxon Countries) doesn't mean that I can't answer your question.

Probably corporations are risking the life in the name of the profit, thats what every corp. does. As long you are permitted to do so accordingly to the laws, or even if its not.

It is difficult to sue an entire corp. so they don´t need to worry to much about following the laws.

The laws are not something that must be to be followed if you are above them or almost above. And corps. have much power, the entire economic system is based on the well being of the corps. Laws only need to be followed if you are not strong enough, like Nietszche said "Ethics is a tool of the weak to rule over the strong".

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
People smoking 'lights' and 'medium' knowing that they are just as bad as a regular cigarette, is different to people smoking 'light' and 'medium' thinking it will be better for them and an oppertunity to get themselfs less addicted.

Okay, so we all know they're both bad.

Experiment Time:
Smoke a Marlboro Ultra Light and run a 200 meter dash. Report results...ah, should be no problem.

Now...smoke a Camel No Filter or a Lucky Strike and do the same. Report back after this sprint, if you can still breathe and function as a human being.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Do you think its absolutey fine that people believe that smoking ''light'' or ''medium'' cigarettes is better for them and will help them quit, while 'light' or 'medium' cause as much harm as normal, yet Corporation are letting it slide in the name of profit. Do you think its OK to let people believe its better for them, when its not?

Of course it's not ok to lead people to believe it's better for them. I said this, but people who smoke will smoke anyway. Which I also said. Smokers are smokers. Them knowing that it's not making any difference having a lighter cigarette or not, won't stop them smoking.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Let me clarify my question again for everyone...

The question is [b]NOT - Are Corporations guilty for people smoking?
That is NOT what im interested in.

The questiopn IS - Are Corporations doing enough to alert the people of what is put in their product?[/b]

I answered this by saying what I said in my previous post, albeit specifically. No, they're not. Even if they did, would it make a difference? No. Smokers are smokers. If they smoke one kind, they'll smoke something similar. I answered your question and added an aside of my own. The last remark before my reply was in regard to profit, so I highlighted that first.

You're not really in a position to moan that nobody is giving you what you ask for. I can recall many a time you've dodged multiple posts of mine. Not having a go, just asking for fairness.

-AC

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes, but that is irrelevant. Thats not what my question is about. People's stupidity is irrelevant. They smoke because they chose to.

My question is, are the corperation doing their bit of work.

Do you think its absolutey fine that people believe that smoking ''light'' or ''medium'' cigarettes is better for them and will help them quit, while 'light' or 'medium' cause as much harm as normal, yet Corporation are letting it slide in the name of profit. Do you think its OK to let people believe its better for them, when its not?

Well, I take it you aren't a smoker...I know that's obvious.

But, a lot of my friends back home smoke. I'm from NC, where all these cigarettes are coming from. There, smokes are 3 bucks a pack. Here in SF, they're almost 6. So, less people smoke here...plus, it's not allowed in 90 percent of the city. Plus, it's bad for you.

But, knowing as many smokers as I do, not one person among them believes that smoking a cigarette touted as "better for you" is actually better for you. They all know that the reality of the situation is the toxins in teh smoke are killing them. Most who smoke a "lighter" cigarette do so, because the regular brand are burning their throats. And the process of preparing tobacco for the cigarete is different...and so the smoke is less harsh. However, the long term effects are the same. Your lungs shrivle up, grow tumors and you die.