Nightwing vs. Silver Samurai...?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He IS more agile...probably the best in DCU. Yes, Daredevil is agile, but he is also more concetrated on martial arts...Nightwing comes from family of acrobats, his whole life revolved around it. He was on circus shows as ten year old, when it comes to agility there are not many that surpass Nightwing. Daredevil is not one of them...

It goes both ways DC. Nightwing started in acrobats, given. However, when DD started in the MA's, he also practiced his agility with intense training such as ninja skills as well as regular acrobatics. Matt also started out when he was a kid. Not as young as 10 like NW, but no older than 16. You also have to remember than Matt is also older than Richard, so thats more time to train in all areas.

I still dont think hes more agile than DD. Close, but not better.

Originally posted by jrodslam
It goes both ways DC. Nightwing started in acrobats, given. However, when DD started in the MA's, he also practiced his agility with intense training such as ninja skills as well as regular acrobatics. Matt also started out when he was a kid. Not as young as 10 like NW, but no older than 16. You also have to remember than Matt is also older than Richard, so thats more time to train in all areas.

I still dont think hes more agile than DD. Close, but not better.

Yes, but like I said, the whole lift of Nightwing was acrobatics. He concetrated on that, and only that. Daredevil had acrobatics, but I'm still pretty sure that he concetrated more on martial arts. So, Daredevil had acrobatics on 50% of his time. He started as a teenager. Nightwing had acrobatics training for 100% of his training time. He was probably trained to do that since his birth.

As an eight-year old, he was already an professional acrobat. Daredevil is superb acrobat, but he has nothing on the lifetime career and commitment on acrobats that Nightwing has. Thats one area Batman did not have to train him at all when he started as Robin, unlike all the following Robins. And Daredevil and Nightwing are roughly the same age. Daredevil is probably five or slightly more years older, though.

I have no doubts that NW is as good as DD or close to it, but how would he be considered better? DD's leaps have been said to surpass world records. Out of the many heroes abilities Taskmaster has at his disposal, DD's agility is first chosen before others.

That's probably because Marvel Universe doesn't have Nightwing.

Did you read the thing I posted?

Bar none, Dick is the premier acrobat not only in Bludhaven, or the United States or even the world, but perhaps most of the known cosmos. Naturally gifted with an astounding about of innate agility, Dick has also been trained since before he could crawl to preform acrobatically. His parents were perhaps the worlds best aerial trapeze artists and they wished to instill even more prowess to their child and thus taught him everything they knew. Since before he could walk, Dick has been as ease with being in a freefall well above the surface below, twisting and cortorting himself in the air. This has only been compounded by all of the additional training he's had later in life, primarily under Batman's tutelage. He can preform a near endless string of complex tucks, rolls and flips in rapid succession and has no problem adapting to any environment or situation in which to bounce around in. Dick is accomplished at any acrobatic event known to man and could likely win an Olympics were he to enter them, with relative ease. But he's also very much able to craft his own routines off the cuff in the middle of a firefight.

A great spin-off from his acrobatics is his ability to tumble, to tuck and roll and fall *with* a force directed against him rather than be completely subjected to it. He's been trained to take falls from great heights to avoid injury and especially death, but he can also roll with the punche's, which is what he does most often in combat. Rather than beating on a foe, hell go with the flow, take some blows while looking for a weak spot/moment and try to tire his foe out.

It should be noted that Dick's natural agility, which fantastic, doesn't make him the level of acrobat that he is. It helps, but while he might be able to fold himself in half or the like, its his skill and continued training that maintain his acrobatics. He has a natural affinity for it, but still he practices to keep it up (which nightly patrols swinging around town often does).

I'll also try to find some comic feats.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
He was never shown to have been revived, he just started showing up again. Bendis can't keep track of his own shitty continuity. An Ebony Samurai turned up as a Silver Samurai replacement in Alpha Flight v3 when they fought Big Hero 6. If that was a new character or a new alias for Harada is unknown. What powers he has were also unknown, as the Alpha Flight series never went anywhere, so it was never further expounded upon.

I am kind of pissed that Way had Wolverine stump SS, but it was a good fight, more or less. It showed Samurai had some nice skills, he had his sword through Wolverine's chest and was kind of winning for a bit.

As for his Hydra connections, when Madame Hydra's your sugar momma, yeah he'll be back with a cyborg arm soon.

It is pretty neat seeing Wolverine rely on fighting skills again. I hope Way curbs the trend of making Wolverine an amoral killer, when I first encountered the character, reading old issues from the 70s, he, to my knowledge, was never really all that bloodthirsty.

I remember reading in a wizard issue that in Way's story arc Wolverine is after some guy name Muramasa, which was the name of the Black Sword (and possibly the spirit that possed it) that Silver Samurai took from Wolverine back in his Mandipor days. It is possible that SS might be a major player in this run... or the whole Muramasa thing is just a coincidence.

That sounds like a Daredevil bio, lol.

And to think NW started at 8 while DD started at 13 or so. I still say DD's is slightly better though.

Nightwing's training started since he could crawl...his mother and father were perhaps the best acrobats in world.

DD is better fighter. Nightwing exceeds him when it comes to acrobatics.

"Dick has also been trained since before he could crawl to preform acrobatically. His parents were perhaps the worlds best aerial trapeze artists and they wished to instill even more prowess to their child and thus taught him everything they knew. Since before he could walk, Dick has been as ease with being in a freefall well above the surface below, twisting and cortorting himself in the air. This has only been compounded by all of the additional training he's had later in life, primarily under Batman's tutelage. He can preform a near endless string of complex tucks, rolls and flips in rapid succession and has no problem adapting to any environment or situation in which to bounce around in. Dick is accomplished at any acrobatic event known to man and could likely win an Olympics were he to enter them, with relative ease."

Daredevil can't say the same.

For the ability part, yes DD can say the same.

And to think...he didnt even start before learning how to crawl. Im still waiting on those NW agility feats.

hey jrodslam I just found a stat that list DD at enchanced agility

Originally posted by wolverine8888
hey jrodslam I just found a stat that list DD at enchanced agility

DD only had is senses enhanced. Not abilities.

Where did you see that at?

Originally posted by jrodslam
DD only had is senses enhanced. Not abilities.

Where did you see that at?

mangi posted it

see DD is better then nightwing

Originally posted by jrodslam
For the ability part, yes DD can say the same.

And to think...he didnt even start before learning how to crawl. Im still waiting on those NW agility feats.

Gimme a minute, i'm trying to find some.

You have to admit that Nightwing has better training in terms of acrobatics though. His parents being masters of it and all. Not to mention training from Batman.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Gimme a minute, i'm trying to find some.

You have to admit that Nightwing has better training in terms of acrobatics though. His parents being masters of it and all. Not to mention training from Batman.

Oh ofcourse. Im not denying that at all. NW probably has the most intensive acrobatic training in all of comics. Nightcrawler would probably be the closest to that in terms of training.

However, I look at it from seeing how DD started at a later age than NW and his acrobatic feats seem more impressive. Do the senses help a bit? Sure. Im just saying that overall, DD seems to have slightly better acrobat skills than NW.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
see DD is better then nightwing

Umm...that proves it?

Handbooks prove nothing. Until a comic mentions that Daredevils agility is enchanced in some way, thats not a proof.

Originally posted by jrodslam

However, I look at it from seeing how DD started at a later age than NW and his acrobatic feats seem more impressive. Do the senses help a bit? Sure. Im just saying that overall, DD seems to have slightly better acrobat skills than NW.

Can you explain how they are better overall?

Originally posted by wolverine8888
see DD is better then nightwing

I sure as hell dont know where they get enhanced agility from. That may very likely be an error on their part, 8888.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I sure as hell dont know where they get enhanced agility from. That may very likely be an error on their part, 8888.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can you explain how they are better overall?

I mentioned DD's acrobatic feats seem more impressive than NW's. Thats why id put him over NW overall. Id be willing to say otherwise if i saw more NW acro feats and skills. But Spiderman is the best acrobat in Marvel and for DD to be compared to him is speaking very highly of his acrobat skills.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I mentioned DD's acrobatic feats seem more impressive than NW's. Thats why id put him over NW overall. Id be willing to say otherwise if i saw more NW acro feats and skills. But Spiderman is the best acrobat in Marvel and for DD to be compared to him is speaking very highly of his acrobat skills.