Trials: Yoda And Sidious
Post downs opinions, theories and maybe some back-up proof of who defeated who, who was better, who was smarter and who made the bigger impact apon Star Wars.
Which one do you think is better? The ever-wise and agile Yoda? Or the Evil and Powerful Sidious?
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Who defeated who: Stalemate. The published novels and website state that Sidious defeated Yoda, but this isn't the case. In fact, Yoda got the finishing blow. But Yoda was in a position where, to return against the Dark Lord, would be suicide. I believe, like Yoda with Dooku, Yoda would have won a prolonged battle.
Who was better: Depends on what you mean. Better at what?
Who was smarter: Sidious. He duped Yoda for about 14 years, and brought the end of the great Galactic Republic, and instituted the most powerful militaristic regime in galactic history. Oh, he definately won the intellectual war.
Who had the bigger impact: Yoda, of course. He is the more popular character by far. Probably second only to Vader. But as for the story, Sidious. Sidious converted the main character to evil, and caused the conflicts in which the story is centered around. The story needed a Sidious. The story did not necessarily need a Yoda (until OT times, where he was VERY important).
Don't really have a lot to contribute at this moment, but it seems that a lot of people forget that Yoda has experince fighting Darksiders other than Sidious.
The Nightsisters.
It also seems that Yoda was tempted by the Darkside at one time. Somewhere he said, "I carry a darkness within me".
Not much, I know, but I don't have anything else right now.
The Darkside or the Nightsisters?
There was some quote on the Darkside part, but it isn't known for sure.
The Nightsisters are mentioned in the Courtship of PRincess Leia and in the New Essential Guide to Chronolgy when Yoda, with the other jedi on the Chu'unthor battle the Nightsisters over the knowledge contained upon it. Yoda later had a vision of a young Jedi needing the knowledge one day, so he agreed to let the Nightsisters keep it until Luke(though he didn't know it was Luke at the time) came and got it.
Who defeated who? - I'd say stalemate. Although Yoda retreating made it seem as if he lost. That would be an unfair statement considering he loist his saber and alot that in the final impact, Sidious had better grounding/grip than him.
Who was better? - Well when coming down to fighting skills, i say they were also about even. Force power wise, the darkside will usually always be more aggressive in battle than a lightside user. Yoda countered the lightning very well. Sids go a bit too overconfident and Yoda pushed is right back at his ass. Sids counldnt keep it going. He had to let up, which caused the burst that pushed them back. When hurling the pods, its way easier to throw something than it is to stop it while its already in motion and throw it back. Its hard to say who is better in that department.
Who was smarter? - Sids. Like stated before, he duped the Jedi for years. Hid his power in the force that even Yoda couldnt sense. He used the Jedi and everyone else as pawns. No doubts about it Sidious was smarter.
Who made a bigger impact on Star Wars? - Im gonna have to say Yoda. True Sids is the one who turned Anakin to the darkside. However it was Yoda who was the primary trainer of Luke who turned his fater back. He forewarned him about the Emperor "Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor. Or suffer your fathers fate you will." Also the cave where he had to face a certain darkness. Bigger impact, id have to give to Yoda.
Sidious was wiser, more devious, had more options open when fighting, didn´t chicken out and run into hiding, actually succeeded in taking over everything for a while.
Yoda gave daft non procuctive advice, didn´t win one fight convincingly, ran off like a little green coward, died of old age not in stlye, lost the potentially most powerfull force user ever to the dark side due to lack of insight and consistancy. But he was cute.
Wiser you say? To be honest I doubt that. Jedi that go down the dark path (or are just plain sith!) lose there wisdom - please dont misundertsand me when I say that - and seem to gain a deviousness instead. For the Jedi are wise - by our standards (human that is) and they fit the stereotyping of wise-men almost perfectly.
The Sith, although genius and cunning, do not have that kind of wisdom. Yoda, as an equal or Sidious has this, while Sidious has a seemingly manic ingenius where he is able to perputrate his master plan without even raising an eyelid in his direction.