Hulk Vs. Cloak & Dagger [Deathmatch with a Catch]

so, again, hulk is not evil. i don't see him (at least savage) despairing, and i don't see the darkness being able to feed on hulk.

once they tried their respective attacks, they would likely see they couldn't defeat hulk and leave, but before they do, hulk could shockwave and end it.

interesting fight, but in the end, i don't think they have the guns to win this kind of fight because hulk's not evil and has no real mind to give into despair with. maybe prof hulk? still, banner has faced these types of foes MANY times. even prof hulk's will would likely be too strong for cloak.

'pologies for the multiple posts, but you said you wanted to make me think . . .

whew. maybe an easier match up next time ill . . .?

Hmm, interesting.

So the Guilt Hulk and Devil Hulk psyches in Banner's mind aren't evil? They're all one and the same person, after all.

Heh... I don't know if this is relevant I just found it amusing...

LOL ... if only i could make out the words ?

Originally posted by grey fox
LOL ... if only i could make out the words ?

Also, Spiderman landing on Cloak, though I hate to use this cop out argument, is PIS. Cloak isn't supposed to be physically tangible until he consumes sufficient amounts of light (soul). Unless Dagger somehow fed him light previous to Spiderman jumping on him, the writer simply forgot this aspect of the character.

I only have PC access at work, so when I get home I'll find the comic I have where Cloak succumbs to the hunger and begins eating the souls of people committing petty crimes like jaywalking and shoplifting. I believe DareDevil, Spiderman, and Dr. Strange are all in the same story. It's not the Tyrannus and the Serpant People storyline though.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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Which comic is that? 😆

Damn, did they retcon him?

<<I only have PC access at work, so when I get home I'll find the comic I have where Cloak succumbs to the hunger and begins eating the souls of people committing petty crimes like jaywalking and shoplifting. I believe DareDevil, Spiderman, and Dr. Strange are all in the same story. It's not the Tyrannus and the Serpant People storyline though.>>

yah, that's the issue where they're in the 'evil new york', i think, inside cloak. cloak sort of goes nuts in that arc. isn't that the one that ends with c&d becoming one being?

and i think we all have the potential for 'evil' in us, or have done 'wrong' things. cloak feeds on that but if a person is strong willed enough or perhaps 'good' enough (at least in their own mind?) it seems they can fight cloak's influence -- or rather the beast INSIDE cloak.

i started off thinking hulk couldn't win, but based on what i've seen/recalled, i've come around to the other side.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<I only have PC access at work, so when I get home I'll find the comic I have where Cloak succumbs to the hunger and begins eating the souls of people committing petty crimes like jaywalking and shoplifting. I believe DareDevil, Spiderman, and Dr. Strange are all in the same story. It's not the Tyrannus and the Serpant People storyline though.>>

yah, that's the issue where they're in the 'evil new york', i think, inside cloak. cloak sort of goes nuts in that arc. isn't that the one that ends with c&d becoming one being?

and i think we all have the potential for 'evil' in us, or have done 'wrong' things. cloak feeds on that but if a person is strong willed enough or perhaps 'good' enough (at least in their own mind?) it seems they can fight cloak's influence -- or rather the beast INSIDE cloak.

i started off thinking hulk couldn't win, but based on what i've seen/recalled, i've come around to the other side.

Yeah, I think that's when Dagger fills Cloak with her light and takes on his darkness because it's beginning to overwhelm him. He started feeding on random people for things like littering and jaywalking. I really need to get a new PC at home with a scanner.

Cloak and Dagger was a really good story. It's a shame they aren't a top billied title anymore at Marvel.

I'm still not conviced it's a cut and dry victory for Hulk, however. In some comics bullets and trash cans pass through Cloak, and in another, some little girl yanks his cloak off, and really, the cloak is not the source of his powers, it's just what he uses to control it.

I'm no using the PIS argument though. I suppose if a kid could pull Cloak's power off his body Hulk certainly could.

Cloak can teleport himself, others, and objects, however.

Can't he teleport Hulk to the sun or something?

Cloak wouldn't really need to.

He could just engulf Hulk into hisself and let the Darkness consume him. He's engulfed whole buildings before.

Banner's mind is splintered as is. Leaving him in the darkness dimension that feeds off the darkness of in his soul would drive him nuts.

On top of that, Dagger's light daggers may still harm him.

Most Hulk incarnations aren't wholely evil, but a couple are, and they are VERY, VERY evil at that, and ever present, even if not always in control of the body.

Cloak & Dagger's abilities aren't quite the "Penance Stare", but they are very similar.

you're scenario is possible. it's not of course IF cloak can gather him in, but what happens inside. i just tend to think banner's psyche has faced this sort of adversity many times in the past and in the end, rather than succumbing, he would likely triumph over it. i DO think a thunder clap would be effective though once he'd out of or before he gets INTO cloak.

i agree too the daggers would affect him -- just not enough. banner's soul/psyche has been through so much -- it's hard to imagine something really breaking it or overcoming it altogether. it's been tried before, by greater powers than c&d.

i think a NEW c&d series is scheduled to come out next year. least, that's the message i read somewhere . . .

Yeah. There's supposed to be a Cloak & Dagger movie as well. I was surprised to see that.

I'm looking forward to Tom Cruise as Ironman though, if they still pull that off.