A Future Utopia?
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?
No we can't function in perfection. Ambition is one of our greatest flaws. No human being can honestly say they would be happy being exactly like everyone else for the rest of their lives. We can't be equal because of our nature and our need to succeed and rise above others. That's why communism fails, we can't all be at the same level, because lets face it some of us aren't.
So therefore, there will always be war, and other disasters like so 😬
Originally posted by silver_tears
No we can't function in perfection. Ambition is one of our greatest flaws. No human being can honestly say they would be happy being exactly like everyone else for the rest of their lives. We can't be equal because of our nature and our need to succeed and rise above others. That's why communism fails, we can't all be at the same level, because lets face it some of us aren't.So therefore, there will always be war, and other disasters like so 😬
i agree. we all strive for something and we all work hard for what we strive for. why should someone else be privilaged to the very same thing if they made less of a commitment? i'm a firm beliver in "what you do is what you get."
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
why should someone else be privilaged to the very same thing if they made less of a commitment? i'm a firm beliver in "what you do is what you get."
This is exactly right. The main jist of why it won't work. Well, one of the main reasons.
People would eventually think "Why am I being reduced to being like them idiots? I'm better." and so forth. As they'd have the right to.
-AC
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?
FJ we're full of flaws and imperfections that makes us humans (I think) I don't believe we will ever get a glimpse of a Utopia in our lifetime. And quite frankly it won't matter whether I see it or not. I really won't change my lifestyle, or everyone's else. The illusion of Utopia banishes everytime the world issues aren't resolve or won't be resolve.
Re: A Future Utopia?
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?
Utopia is possible. It won't just happen, however. It will have to come through force. Only concentrated population reduction and a program of forced integrating will allow it come about. Those who become responsible for it happening will also have to remain focused on the goal..not allowing themselves to be swayed by temporary indulgence, like money or power. It can happen, though. It's just too bad, that those not willing to accept the differences in humanity will have to be wiped out for it to be possible. Actually, it's too bad that they can't accept differences.
Re: Re: A Future Utopia?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Utopia is possible. It won't just happen, however. It will have to come through force. Only concentrated population reduction and a program of forced integrating will allow it come about. Those who become responsible for it happening will also have to remain focused on the goal..not allowing themselves to be swayed by temporary indulgence, like money or power. It can happen, though. It's just too bad, that those not willing to accept the differences in humanity will have to be wiped out for it to be possible. Actually, it's too bad that they can't accept differences.
didn't the Nazis try that back in the 30's and 40's?
Originally posted by Scoobless
any forced attempt at Utopia would only be met with resistance and war
I'm not going to argue symantics with you. But, that's why that resistance would have to be crushed, their power and ability taken away from them, and those responsible killed.
Sorry, that's what I believe.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Utopia is possible. It won't just happen, however. It will have to come through force. Only concentrated population reduction and a program of forced integrating will allow it come about. Those who become responsible for it happening will also have to remain focused on the goal..not allowing themselves to be swayed by temporary indulgence, like money or power. It can happen, though. It's just too bad, that those not willing to accept the differences in humanity will have to be wiped out for it to be possible. Actually, it's too bad that they can't accept differences.
Holy shit, did your uncool nazi brother take over your Account? Not that I don't agree with you partly (depends in what Utopian society you belief) but I didn't expect it from you.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm not going to argue symantics with you. But, that's why that resistance would have to be crushed, their power and ability taken away from them, and those responsible killed.Sorry, that's what I believe.
a utopia where it's "live our way or die"?
sounds more like a dystopia to me
Originally posted by Scoobless
a utopia where it's "live our way or die"?sounds more like a dystopia to me
Nope, not "our way or die". Freedom of religion, freedom of political expression and freedom of choice can all be maintained. This is why I have always preached that concentrated population reduction will be the only gateway to a successful future. I'm not talking about killing jews or gays or muslims. I'm talking about wiping out anyone who isn't concerned with the progress of our species. If that reduction comes from restrictions on breeding or in gas chambers, the end result can be the same.
Maintain knowledge, maintain differences, but when there is no option but successful, peaceful co-existence, then differences in race, creed, orientation and political ideas can be worked through in a more civilized and productive manner.
I know it's an "uncool" point of view, but I believe in it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Holy shit, did your uncool nazi brother take over your Account? Not that I don't agree with you partly (depends in what Utopian society you belief) but I didn't expect it from you.
I was under the impression that you were my uncool Nazi brother.
But, yes, I believe in this. I'm sure you can see how my past opinions continue to agree with what I'm saying now. I've never swayed from this perspective.
Re: A Future Utopia?
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?
Beverly Hills?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Nope, not "our way or die". Freedom of religion, freedom of political expression and freedom of choice can all be maintained. This is why I have always preached that concentrated population reduction will be the only gateway to a successful future. I'm not talking about killing jews or gays or muslims. I'm talking about wiping out anyone who isn't concerned with the progress of our species. If that reduction comes from restrictions on breeding or in gas chambers, the end result can be the same.Maintain knowledge, maintain differences, but when there is no option but successful, peaceful co-existence, then differences in race, creed, orientation and political ideas can be worked through in a more civilized and productive manner.
I know it's an "uncool" point of view, but I believe in it.
I'm sorry I just don't see how giving people freedoms would work. "Freedom is never free." By allowing them to maintain their religions. political views, and their freedom of choice, this would separate the population and would result in fighting. 😬