Palpatine kills Padme

Originally posted by DarkYoda [QUOTE=5360700]Originally posted by JKozzy
Probly 'cause he knows if he does, either way, different sets of fans will uprise against him and scream bloody murder that by saying for sure that, for example, Palps killed Padme, that they ruined their view of the saga and murdered their childhood memories.

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Originally posted by DrDoom101
Palpatine Force sensed Padme's death much like how ANH Obi-Wan felt the doom of Alderaan.

Exactly, and anything else is silly.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Exactly, and anything else is silly.

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Originally posted by DrDoom101
Palpatine Force sensed Padme's death much like how ANH Obi-Wan felt the doom of Alderaan.

Why would Palpatine Force sense Padme's death? How could he? She was just a normal human being... ONE human being. I can understand Obi-Wan feeling a disturbance in the Force over the deaths of billions of people ALL AT ONCE, but one person? That doesn't make sense. This would imply that every Force sensitive person feels a disturbance every time someone in the galaxy dies. That's plain idiotic.

How do you know that Palp wasn't focusing for Padme like Yoda did Anakin in ATOC?

Palpatine knew because he is a Sith. Duh.

Here's a theory on this, taken from Stardestroyer.net

Some have suggested that [Padme] was seriously injured when Anakin Force-choked her on Mustafar, but he obviously didn't cause her serious injury because the medical droids indicated that there was nothing medically wrong with her. So an alternate theory has arisen. Rather than paraphrase it, I will simply repeat the idea as posted on my forums:

Much has been made of Padmé's seemingly unnatural death at the end of the film. The medical droid said that she had apparently lost her will to live, but it's clearly implied that he couldn't explain why and we are left with an unsatisfying answer. It is arguable whether this explanation is consistent with Padmé's character; on one hand, she appeared to be fairly excited about being a mother and having children of her own. On the other hand, it is heavily implied in Episode II that Padmé had been a very lonely person before Anakin began putting the moves on her; this would explain why she so easily fell for Anakin, despite the awkward nature of his courtship, and also despite his massacre of the Tusken Raiders; what kind of a woman would just let something that horrible slide by? It is entirely possible that she had indeed lost her will to continue living, since she had lost the one thing that had filled the void in her empty life and the last thing she would have remembered about him would have been his attempt to choke her to death.

Another theory, a theory I think which is more satisfying in the context of the storyline and the tragic nature of Anakin's character, is that Palpatine was not lying when he told Darth Vader that he had killed Padmé through his anger; somehow, as he laid on the operating table, getting suited up for the first time, his anger, rage, and feelings of abandonment reached out through the Force (subconsciously) and drained away Padmé's will to live as she laid on the operating table, giving birth to the Skywalker twins. The movie is edited to where Anakin is operated on as Padmé gives birth; it may have been done this way to imply that Padmé's death was connected to Anakin becoming Vader and falling even more deeply into the grip of the Dark Side. Anakin's character is clearly meant to be evocative of the various Greek tragic figures; Padmé's death at his hands through the Dark Side of the Force would be consistent with his character, viewed in that light. He embraces the Dark Side to save her from her fate, but like a Greek hero desperately trying to evade his foreseen destiny, his attempts to escape fate only end up ensuring that the aforementioned fate will come to pass.

It has been suggested that Palpatine was simply lying to Anakin, but it must not be forgotten that Palpatine had previously demonstrated great insight into Anakin's mind. He knew that the Jedi had asked him to spy on the Senate, he knew that he was married, and he knew he had been having dreams of Padmé's death. Furthermore, it must be noted that Sith have a unique talent for using the truth deceitfully. How did Count Dooku attempt to sway Obi-Wan in Episode II? By telling him the truth about the Sith ...without telling him the full story. How did Palpatine get the Senate to support the Jedi purge? By telling them that the Jedi had staged a coup of the government, which they had actually done ... but again, without telling them the full story. And how did Palpatine explain Padmé's death to Vader to drive him even further down the dark path and make him even more vengeful and hateful? You get the idea. Again, Palpatine is using the truth deceitfully; Vader clearly believes that it was his force choke that accidentally killed her, but the way he actually killed her is far more sinister - how would Vader have viewed the Dark Side if he had known that he had subconsciously killed the love of his life through it? Palpatine is a lying, evil, twisted SOB - but it is through truth that he is able to accomplish his greatest victories. So what Palpatine tells Vader as he takes his first steps in the suit is not a lie, but a very literal truth.

Originally posted by palpy_666
Why would Palpatine Force sense Padme's death? How could he? She was just a normal human being... ONE human being. I can understand Obi-Wan feeling a disturbance in the Force over the deaths of billions of people ALL AT ONCE, but one person? That doesn't make sense. This would imply that every Force sensitive person feels a disturbance every time someone in the galaxy dies. That's plain idiotic.

I think he could sense her. The book explains how Anakin somehow became one with Padme while looking across the city towards her apartment, and could sense her as if she was a being in the force, and maybe she was. She states that she does not think she will live that long in the senate, but that is another theory. I don't think Palpatine could have killed her from thousands of lightyears away.

Okay, Palpy, you're being incredibly stubborn, and I think it's time you accept the fact that you've lost. Every single person in this thread has disagreed with you, and have brought good arguements to you, many of which you just dismiss. Just admit it - you're wrong. Arguing against the whole of the KMC Star Wars forums won't change that.

Originally posted by Spearhead
Here's a theory on this, taken from Stardestroyer.net

WOW!!! That was a very good post! Essentially, it was the same thing I was trying to say, but it was much more thought out and the wording was much better.

I actually think I like that explanation more than I do that Padme just died of a broken heart.

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Originally posted by starwarsrules14
I think he could sense her. The book explains how Anakin somehow became one with Padme while looking across the city towards her apartment, and could sense her as if she was a being in the force, and maybe she was. She states that she does not think she will live that long in the senate, but that is another theory. I don't think Palpatine could have killed her from thousands of lightyears away.

Don't you understand? Anakin and Padme had a special link-- they were husband and wife. Palpatine had no such link to Padme.

Originally posted by Ganner Rhysode
Okay, Palpy, you're being incredibly stubborn, and I think it's time you accept the fact that you've lost. Every single person in this thread has disagreed with you, and have brought good arguements to you, many of which you just dismiss. Just admit it - you're wrong. Arguing against the whole of the KMC Star Wars forums won't change that.

You can just go to hell. Don't tell me I'm lost because I have an idea that is quite possible. And yes, I have answered everyone's argument.

Originally posted by palpy_666
Don't you understand? Anakin and Padme had a special link-- they were husband and wife. Palpatine had no such link to Padme.

You can just go to hell. Don't tell me I'm lost because I have an idea that is quite possible. And yes, I have answered everyone's argument.

Originally posted by Tangible God
As the Sith Lord who destroyed the Republic, created an Empire, turned the Chosen One into Vader, and masterminded 13 years of disturbance, and could sense that Vader was in danger before he even began surfing on the Lava River...do you really think it's out of Palpatine's league to focus in on someone whom he has spent time around for more than 14 years?

So basically you're telling me that while Vader was being reconstructed, Palpatine was busy sitting there trying to focus in on Padme to see how she's doing?

I don't think so. My theory of Palpatine killing her through the Force makes more sense.

Originally posted by palpy_666
So basically you're telling me that while Vader was being reconstructed, Palpatine was busy sitting there trying to focus in on Padme to see how she's doing?

I don't think so. My theory of Palpatine killing her through the Force makes more sense.

bear in mind, her fate is vitally important to what Anakin becomes; he's not likely to discard such a significant factor.

No I think about 90% of your so called theories are bullshiet. Absolutely every teeny tiny thing doesnt need to be explained in order for it to make sense. Damn, it is what it is.

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Well Anakin did ASK Palps how Padme was doing... so it's not inconceivable that he THEN sensed that she had died.

Originally posted by palpy_666
So basically you're telling me that while Vader was being reconstructed, Palpatine was busy sitting there trying to focus in on Padme to see how she's doing?

I don't think so. My theory of Palpatine killing her through the Force makes more sense.

Plus we didn't see Palpatine while Vader was getting fitted out. He could have been searching for Padme the whole time. He knew she was pregnant, knew that Obi-Wan was alive and most likely with them. He could have been pin-pointing anyone present during Padme's death, even Bail, since they were all enemies or potential threats.

Again...do you actually put it past Palpatine to just dismiss Padme--the wife of Anakin-Vader, his apprentice--the same wife whose "death in childbirth future" he had used to corrupt Anakin?

Do you put it past Palpatine's abilites to locate such a person during childbirth who is coping unamiously with Anakin's betrayal?

Originally posted by Spearhead
Here's a theory on this, taken from Stardestroyer.net

✅ I can believe that one.