Another group other than the Sith and Jedi??

Alright Im a big SW fan but haven't read the books or much of the lore and whatnot. For those that have played KOTOR...I've been wondering about something and have not been able to get it out of my head, so I was wondering if some of you deep readers into lore and just the galaxy in general, in SW would know...

You know how in the KOTOR games there are those 3 people that seem to be a bit more nuetralistic, like how Kreia says that to truely learn about the force you must look at both points of view, both aspecs, Light and Dark, and how she pretty much wants to destroy the force.

Then there is Nihilus, feeds on the force to sustain himself, he is pretty much bent on self-preservation above all else even if it means wiping all life from the galaxy to feed his hunger, and that he actually cares very little for the codes and ways of both the light side and the dark side...

Then Revan, a bit harder to go into unless you theorize some things+future events but he is doing many things secretively for a reason not fully known yet, much of this is explained in KOTOR 2 by various characters, most is right there, while other things you have to read between the lines to get, though anyone who has played it fully through probably has an idea of what im talking about with him.

Anyway...sorry for the rambling but basically what I want to know is, you know how they have the major classifications, Jedi/Sith, then there are some things that im sketchy on like some kind of smaller classifications within the Sith such as a difference between Darth Maul and Sidious and whatnot. I was wondering if anyone knew if there is some kind of classification for these people that I mentioned above, Kreia, Revan, Nihilus, etc...

Thnx for the help and insight.

no problem

So anyone know if there is a specific name for these kinds of "Jedi"?

Grey Jedi?

I wouldnt say there were different groups - more different ideals and sects in the two groups - or the wide space in the middle.

Like Darth Sion's guys all seem to be stealthy-crackhead types.
Cant remember hardly anything about Nilihus or what not.
And meh..ive lost interest.

Alrighty, had a feeling their wouldn't be much of a true "label" for these ideals but hopefully someone who see's this thread may know, if there is one that is.

Well lets see...

Nihilus - This guy is a Sith all the way.

Kreia - I am lost on this one.

Revan - Is pretty unique in the SW universe in the fact that he resisted the Dark Side to an extent while mastering it for his own use. He to me was not evil just more or less bitter and dissulisioned with the Jedi for their lack of action. I believe Revan was a realist and looked beyond the present and to the future when he invaded the Republic. His goal was to make the Republic strong under his rule so that it would be able to resist these supposed "leftover" Sith that Kreia mentions. Now as for Revan actually falling to the Dark Side that in itself is in question. Seeing as how Kreia claims that Revan was always true to himself. Take Anakin for instance. When he fell the Dark Side he believed that was he was doing was right. Kreia claims that Revan never truly fell becuase unlike the normal Sith he knew what he was doing was wrong, " Revan was always true to himself no matter what face he wore". As for myself I really do not know if Kreia is correct in this observation or not since their are to many unknown factors.

There were groups like the Jensaari and the Matukai.

Think of it this way, just because people are all humans doesn't mena they believe or act the same, yet they are all still humans.

true, still wish I could refer to those people in 1 way lol. And Nihilus wasn't sith all the way, though he did have a decent amount of sith ideals/etc. Nihilus is my favorite guy, just which I could get more insight into the lore with them...why can't they make a kotor movie! : p

The need to make a 5 page biography on every major KOTOR character in my opinion.

agreed

Well, there are other groups, but not in the way you're describing... Those are just different types of the same group. I mean, take Qui-Gon Jinn, for example. Obviously, his views differed from that of all the Jedi on the council, but he was still a Jedi, was he not?

Anyway, here are some other types of Jedi, although they don't really apply to the context your question was asked in:

Grey Jedi - These Jedi still follow the light side of the Force, and do good things, but let their emotions drive their actions. They will often do things unconventional, or things that may be considered "dark" to accomplish their means. For example, Jolee Bindo smuggled food to innocents - this was illegal and frowned upon by the Jedi council, but still a good thing. He also encouraged Jedi to love. Kyle Katarn is another example, who followed the light side, but used the Dark side of the Force to accomplish his goals.

Dark Jedi - These are relatively evil Jedi who use the Dark Side of the Force and have fallen to the Dark Side, bu who haven't pledged themselves (and thus aren't Sith) to the Sith teachings or practices.

Then there's the Rakata, Dark Side users, but certainly not Sith...the Rakata functioned as a civilization based around the Dark Side, even using it to create unimaginable technologies far ahead of their time.

isnt there a group called the sultran that live in peace with the jedi. their just a bunch of force users who arnt jedi or sith. im not sure much else about them but i remember reading about them a while back.

Originally posted by NihilusDark
And Nihilus wasn't sith all the way

Because sucking out people's souls and making everyone his mind slave isn't Sith enough, right?

Grey Jedi aren't a group. They don't or at least shouldn't exist. Using your emotions to drive your actions and your powers means evil in George Lucas' world.

Dark Jedi are another group (sighs in exasperation)

Kreia was not in the middle, she is an out and out Dark Sider.

And as BC says, Grey Jedi are a ridiculous concept that have no place in the SW Galaxy.

Dark Jedi...arent neccessarily bad/evil...they simply dont follow either the Jedi or Sith laws...So you could have a dark jedi who only helps people when they see fit....

Originally posted by Decay
isnt there a group called the sultran that live in peace with the jedi. their just a bunch of force users who arnt jedi or sith. im not sure much else about them but i remember reading about them a while back.

If he is a Dark Jedi, he is on the Dark Side, therefore he is evil; there is no escaping that.