Originally posted by DigiMark007
I would do it (I have most of the Authority comics) but my scanner is a b*tch. It would be a much-needed respect thread though. At a glance, he's a weird drug-addict who impersonates Strange pretty well. In reality, though, he'd hand reality-warpers like Fraklin Richards and Wanda profound defeats.
I don't think his easily put into any catorgary, by the way his dead in Revolutions 1 don't know if he comes back. His in Kev!
Originally posted by DigiMark007
At a glance, he's a weird drug-addict who impersonates Strange pretty well. In reality, though, he'd hand reality-warpers like Fraklin Richards and Wanda profound defeats.
hmmmm......naaaahhhh
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he's come up short a few times and passed out after some exertion...Scarlet Witch re-wrote the earth and Franklin created a pocket universe without even realising he'd done it
"without realizing he'd done it" suggests a certain lack of control and experience. The Doctor isn't the greatest ever at maintaining his cool, but the only time he passed out (that I know of) was the time after turning the army of super-clones into trees....and that was when he was getting used to his powers.
Let's see Franklin give millions of people gills to breathe underwater with nothing more than a thought.
i wish i could weigh in a little more, but as i told digi, i just started looking at the authority and have done a bit of reading on other sites and such trying to familiarize myself with the characters. digi and lp were a bit hasty in assigning the weight they did to my opinion on this one, i'm afraid. though thanks for the props, both!!
in any event, i may not know everything about the doc, strange however, i know VERY well.
<<Fighting Dormammu (who is an uber, uber magic user) Strange blocked and shielded himself from multidirectional blasts and spells flawlessly in almost no time.... the Doctor got merged with Hawksmoor by some no-name aliens... and he couldn't do a thing about it during, or for hours afterwards>>
was that before or after strange admitted to not having enough power to battle dormammu? or was that the battle where even with all his prep he needed the help of all the defenders to pull it out? and i seem to recall dormammu effortlessly taking over strange's body on one occasion when strange was astral. that time, even WITH prep, he needed a trick AND umar to win.
point is, strange (though they are not often brought up on this forum . . .) also has his share of low showings. (one of my fave's was his getting ready to be killed by the enchantress and the executioner! lp LOVES that one . . . 😛) with LOADS of prep, strange still needed outside help to beat dracula -- even if he was a bit stronger (says lp) than usual. demons HAVE snuck up on him and caught him by surprise in the past, he HAS been ko'd by a friggin' GUN in an issue of ss (i think it was by nebula . . .)
<<Strange can use the EoA to see the Doc's secrets and use that knowledge to mess him up with drugs or something>>
speculation. perhaps he can, but it could be as easily argued that doc might BLOCK the eye's gaze.
<<The Doctor always needs a minute to figure out what he's going to do, Strange's attacks and defences are virtually instantaneous>>
you may be right here about the doctor -- i've not read enough of him to know -- but strange CAN attack quickly, but usually with just run-of-the-mill stuff, nothing potent enough to put down someone of the doc's power level.
bottom line: sure strange is powerful, but he CAN be/HAS been defeated. this hour prep extended to forever is ridiculous. doc's been up against the clock LOADS of times. why not do it then? not ALL those cases can be CIS/PIS. in an hour, he won't gather all his uber talismans, in a 1on1 fight, eternity sure isn't gonna lend him power, so both those avenues are unrealistic for this fight. strange might have a couple surprise spells (like when he made his house disappear because he chanted the long part of the spell in advance of his fight and only had to speak a single word DURING the fight) but i don't think he's gonna whip up anything that the doc (from what i've seen/read of him) can't handle.
they seem to battle in very different ways, so it's hard to say how a fight would look, visually, between them. i don't see how strange's bolts would affect the doc, and strange's shields may last for a time, but he DOES tire too, sometimes quicker than other times. and it's hard to say how effective those shields would be. digi mentioned a couple of doc's feats. damn, the guy emptied sections of the friggin ocean and left the whole us navy high and dry. without ANY effort!
based on what i know of strange, i think he would need a lot more prep to handle a guy who does things like the doc does so effortlessly. that of course is leaving out the effects of doc's (seemingly questionable) character (which i don't know well enough to really chime in on) and going strictly on the powers they wield.
Originally posted by leonidas
i wish i could weigh in a little more, but as i told digi, i just started looking at the authority and have done a bit of reading on other sites and such trying to familiarize myself with the characters. digi and lp were a bit hasty in assigning the weight they did to my opinion on this one, i'm afraid. though thanks for the props, both!!in any event, i may not know everything about the doc, strange however, i know VERY well.
<<Fighting Dormammu (who is an uber, uber magic user) Strange blocked and shielded himself from multidirectional blasts and spells flawlessly in almost no time.... the Doctor got merged with Hawksmoor by some no-name aliens... and he couldn't do a thing about it during, or for hours afterwards>>
was that before or after strange admitted to not having enough power to battle dormammu? or was that the battle where even with all his prep he needed the help of all the defenders to pull it out? and i seem to recall dormammu effortlessly taking over strange's body on one occasion when strange was astral. that time, even WITH prep, he needed a trick AND umar to win.
point is, strange (though they are not often brought up on this forum . . .) also has his share of low showings. (one of my fave's was his getting ready to be killed by the enchantress and the executioner! lp LOVES that one . . . 😛) with LOADS of prep, strange still needed outside help to beat dracula -- even if he was a bit stronger (says lp) than usual. demons HAVE snuck up on him and caught him by surprise in the past, he HAS been ko'd by a friggin' GUN in an issue of ss (i think it was by nebula . . .)
<<Strange can use the EoA to see the Doc's secrets and use that knowledge to mess him up with drugs or something>>
speculation. perhaps he can, but it could be as easily argued that doc might BLOCK the eye's gaze.
<<The Doctor always needs a minute to figure out what he's going to do, Strange's attacks and defences are virtually instantaneous>>
you may be right here about the doctor -- i've not read enough of him to know -- but strange CAN attack quickly, but usually with just run-of-the-mill stuff, nothing potent enough to put down someone of the doc's power level.
bottom line: sure strange is powerful, but he CAN be/HAS been defeated. this hour prep extended to forever is ridiculous. doc's been up against the clock LOADS of times. why not do it then? not ALL those cases can be CIS/PIS. in an hour, he won't gather all his uber talismans, in a 1on1 fight, eternity sure isn't gonna lend him power, so both those avenues are unrealistic for this fight. strange might have a couple surprise spells (like when he made his house disappear because he chanted the long part of the spell in advance of his fight and only had to speak a single word DURING the fight) but i don't think he's gonna whip up anything that the doc (from what i've seen/read of him) can't handle.
they seem to battle in very different ways, so it's hard to say how a fight would look, visually, between them. i don't see how strange's bolts would affect the doc, and strange's shields may last for a time, but he DOES tire too, sometimes quicker than other times. and it's hard to say how effective those shields would be. digi mentioned a couple of doc's feats. damn, the guy emptied sections of the friggin ocean and left the whole us navy high and dry. without ANY effort!
based on what i know of strange, i think he would need a lot more prep to handle a guy who does things like the doc does so effortlessly. that of course is leaving out the effects of doc's (seemingly questionable) character (which i don't know well enough to really chime in on) and going strictly on the powers they wield.
But this becomes a what if game.
Can Strange win? Of course he can he has defeated enemies that are lot more powerful.
But has been k.O by a lot less that the power that Doctor has.
Will he win? depends on how much power he can gather
Going by his average showing I wouldn’t think so.
Strange with prep can very well be a high level cosmic entity.
and Leo don't forget the astral form that Strange can use
-In my best Scarface voice-
So, you want to play dirty, eh? Okay, I can play dirty... 😈
was that before or after strange admitted to not having enough power to battle dormammu?
or was that the battle where even with all his prep he needed the help of all the defenders to pull it out?
Dormy=Skyfather, and he's even more powerful when he's prepped. i.e killing Eternity.
and i seem to recall dormammu effortlessly taking over strange's body on one occasion when strange was astral. that time, even WITH prep, he needed a trick AND umar to win.
Ah, you mean when Dormammu was using prep, AGAIN? Dormammu was actually hiding inside Strange's own "Dark dimension" behind his eyepatch. Dormmy waited until the right time to take over Strange's body.
point is, strange (though they are not often brought up on this forum . . .) also has his share of low showings. (one of my fave's was his getting ready to be killed by the enchantress and the executioner! lp LOVES that one . . .)
with LOADS of prep, strange still needed outside help to beat dracula -- even if he was a bit stronger (says lp) than usual.
He beat Dracula with one attack in issue 43 of his second series I believe. I have scans. 😛
Then, the instance you are speaking of, Dracula had the power of the Darkhold.
THE most powerful mystic artifact in existence, with it, he was drawing more power than Strange gets from the Vishanti.
[url]http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/darkhold.htm
speculation. perhaps he can, but it could be as easily argued that doc might BLOCK the eye's gaze.
Thought you'd like this, too. 😈
Thor-"We know full well we cannot fight your spells, Strange!"
Originally posted by long pig
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Dormy=Skyfather, and he's even more powerful when he's prepped. i.e killing Eternity.
Na Dormy > Sky father in his dimension.
Thing is Strange does well with demons and extramentional creatures.
but he couldn't do jack shit to Gea an Elder God.
infact she pimp Slapped the defender.
it is weird but Strange can sometime take the best demons but struggle other times
Originally posted by leonidas
was that before or after strange admitted to not having enough power to battle dormammu? or was that the battle where even with all his prep he needed the help of all the defenders to pull it out? and i seem to recall dormammu effortlessly taking over strange's body on one occasion when strange was astral. that time, even WITH prep, he needed a trick AND umar to win.
it was in a Spider-Man comic... he had no prep whatsoever
Originally posted by kgkg
Na Dormy > Sky father in his dimension.Thing is Strange does well with demons and extramentional creatures.
but he couldn't do jack shit to Gea an Elder God.
infact she pimp Slapped the defender.
it is weird but Strange can sometime take the best demons but struggle other times
I don't know quite what to make of it....
See, Strange has actually rescued Gea after Dormammu took her over and defeated her, way back in DSMMA#3 or 4. He then defeated Dormammu and let Gea go. Dormammu was most def. > Gea then.
But, in the issue you're talking about, Strange didn't know who she was....which made NO sense....seeing he and her both have talked and Gea owes her freedom/life to him.
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now THAT'S more like it, piggy. maybe scoob will reinstate you now in the fanboy club . . .
fact is, i don't know enough about the doc to really defend him here. CAN his soul be stolen? i don't really know. when he gained the knowledge of all the past docs, did he gain their souls, or just info? has that been explored? if he gained their souls, banishing his soul may be more difficult than you think. if he didn't, perhaps he can defend it in his own manner somehow?
strange was also relatively ineffective against set, another elder god. and that biker demon -- what was his name . . . he fought him with the defenders . . .
anyway, there is plenty of evidence that even with prep, strange has had all sorts of trouble battling high powered beings -- either alone, or with others helping him. could he win this? maybe. doc seems to have much more raw power immediately accessible though. all he'd have to do is survive against strange for a short time then the power difference would swing in his favor. as for his astral form -- again, i can't say for sure. maybe doc could see/sense it? that might be risky anyway. what if doc found strange's body while he was in astral form and turned it inside a cactus? for that matter, maybe he could turn his ASTRAL form into a cactus. i don't know his limits well enough, so i admit this is all speculation. but i dare say you are speculating as well, as are most on here.
and long, it was while he WAS in rat form that he tricked dormmy and needed umar. the fact that dormmy or others have prep isn't the issue, it's what strange does with prep that tends to get overblown. i still have a hard time visualizing this battle in my head, but based on feats, i'd still say the doc, because he seems to be able to call upon so much power so easily, would win this match. strange needs more prep.
for those more knowledgeable re: the doc -- what level DO you put his abilities at? i guessed skyfather. not that high? higher? has been UNABLE to accomplish a feat he has tried?
good to have you back, piggy! 😄
