Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Finally Ethereal you cant escape the fact that on panel (X-men Forever) as shown and stated the one who controls the full Phoenix power is the supreme being of all reality with power enough to humble even the Living Tribunal.
As would be someoe who controlled the source, or the voice or the blah blah blah ! Why would the PF be above the source ?
Originally posted by yahman
As would be someoe who controlled the source, or the voice or the blah blah blah ! Why would the PF be above the source ?
Where have i said the Phoenix Force is above the Source? Ive always made it clear that they have the same role in their respective multiverses. Once again you fail to read and acknowledge posts properly. Until that changes dont quote me. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where have i said the Phoenix Force is above the Source? Ive always made it clear that they have the same role in their respective multiverses. Once again you fail to read and acknowledge posts properly. Until that changes dont quote me. 🙂
The first post suggests it ! You havn't denied it ! You were online, and i was bored ! 😠
Originally posted by yahman
The first post suggests it ! You havn't denied it ! You were online, and i was bored ! 😠
The fact that i made no comment on the post is not a good enough reason to criticise me for supporting it. Especially when ive always stated that Phoenix equals the Source. Have you thought that i couldnt be bothered?😉
You slipped up but its cool we all make mistakes. Some more than others....but what the hell!! 😄
Originally posted by kevdude
The Word and The Logos are the same being, another name for The Word is The Logos, The Spectre is a part of The Logos(The Word). It was the first Archangel ever and the first being ever created/uncreated by The Presence. All of the Angels in The Silver City call each other brothers or at least some do. The Logos/The Word itself is another name for Jesus (before he was born on earth) that is why The Spectre got so pissed when Jesus died because they was very close (and because they killed Gods only begotten son).The Voice and The Word, The Source belong at 2nd
ey kevdude_ the Word does represent Jesus but not Logoz, here's the proof with evidence:
from the Who's Who of the DC Universe:
Origin of Earth-616 universe:
The Big Bang. The universe is created, formed of vapor and forged with fire. Great energies are born and just as quickly dies as that which was formless struggles to find a form, and that which is without reason seeks purpose. Out of this is born that which is eternal, that which is all and beyond all... The Source. This point in time is often referred to as the "First World".
___ Using his special time-bending device Krona gazes unto the beginning of the universe and ends up unleashing the Anti-Matter Universe.
___ At the moment of creation the entity known as The Voice, as well as the two eternal forces known as Order and Chaos also come into existence. Some evidence even indicate that the Source and the Voice are but two aspects of the same. Shortly after the creation of the universe, when the Voice first opens its mouth it creates the Word. Before it is ever spoken aloud, the word was traced by the hand of the Endless known as Destiny on the first pages of his book.*
___ The time-travelling Spectre finally succeeds in defeating Shathan.
___ The next three of the Endless to come into existence are Death, Dream, and Destruction. It is known that Destruction, the youngest of the three, comes into being as the first sentient beings emerge in the universe.
___ Entities known as the Aurakles also come into being at this time.
___ At some undisclosed point early in the creation of the universe however, after the first four of the Endless, the Archangels known as Lucifer, Uriel, Raphael, Michael, Saraquael, Gabriel, and Ragual come into existence. Early on one-third of the angels of Heaven, led by Lucifer, rebel against their master and are banished to the metaphysical realm that will one day become known as Hell.
*Showcase #61 (March 1966), "Beyond the Sinister Barrier"
Now the Spectre:
Let's just jump to Hal Jordan's time:
When the fallen angel Asmodel stole the power of the Spectre, Hal Jordan was rescued from purgatory to help stop this new threat. Earth's Day of Judgment was stopped and the soul of Hal Jordan was bonded with the Spectre force to become the new Spectre. (See Day of Judgment #3 - 5)
Hal takes on the Wrath, while Batman and Superman fight Mistos. Hal is able to transmute* the Wrath (with willpower ?) into 'the Logoz' (?)- basically a part of God. They defeat Mystos, by showing her that she'd trapped herself on Earth by believing that she was stuck there. The implication was basically that your beliefs change the world around you. This is another way of looking at what Hal was doing as GL, and there's the threat that 'the Logoz' might revert back to the nasty ol' spirit of vengeance if Hal is weak.?(Spectre (4th)#4)
Hal tries to help Two-Face by splitting off his darker side. It's a mistake, and he reintegrates them again. Yeah we create out own destiny, but in setting up that every soul decides how it's going to move forward be it by doing good or evil, it means that the Spectre really doesnt have anything to do. He can just sit on his ass and say it's all Gods will. Why 'allow' them to do evil ? Why 'allow' them to hurt the innocent ? He can prevent it, he can punish, he can teach- He 'should' be doing something. It's so weak. At least (going by the last page) this seemed to be 'the Spectre/ Logoz's will rather than Hals, but it doesn't make for great superheroics. (Spectre (4th)#5)
note:*transmute verb
change in form, nature, or substance :
guess that settles that...
Originally posted by yahman
As would be someoe who controlled the source, or the voice or the blah blah blah ! Why would the PF be above the source ?
the Pheonix Force is above the Source because it is practically responsible for the creation of the muliverse, ofcourse through the will of TOAA.
In the DC reality Michael and Lucifer are responsible for such tasks.
Where basing our list on feats of beyond mulitiversal, multiversal and universal scales.
Originally posted by unknowable
the Pheonix Force is above the Source because it is practically responsible for the creation of the muliverse, ofcourse through the will of TOAA.In the DC reality Michael and Lucifer are responsible for such tasks.
Where basing our list on feats of beyond mulitiversal, multiversal and universal scales.
scuse the typo...
Only characters who can affect a Beyond Multiversal - Multiversal or Universal scale can on this list.
There are a few typos like The Voice should be above The Word since The Voice created The Word. They where in the same slot so it was an easy mistake.
And just to clear it up Living Tribunal - Spectre/Logoz & the Saint are above The Source/Voice/Word because they are TOAA/Presence's agents of death, this logically means that no one in their boundaries is above them except their masters.
Which is why Pheonix, Michael and Lucifer are above LT - Spectre and Saint, because they exist beyond their boundaries, and Elaine must too because she has all of Michael's power.
Originally posted by unknowable
ey kevdude_ the Word does represent Jesus but not Logoz, here's the proof with evidence:from the Who's Who of the DC Universe:
Origin of Earth-616 universe:
The Big Bang. The universe is created, formed of vapor and forged with fire. Great energies are born and just as quickly dies as that which was formless struggles to find a form, and that which is without reason seeks purpose. Out of this is born that which is eternal, that which is all and beyond all... The Source. This point in time is often referred to as the "First World".___ Using his special time-bending device Krona gazes unto the beginning of the universe and ends up unleashing the Anti-Matter Universe.
___ At the moment of creation the entity known as The Voice, as well as the two eternal forces known as Order and Chaos also come into existence. Some evidence even indicate that the Source and the Voice are but two aspects of the same. Shortly after the creation of the universe, when the Voice first opens its mouth it creates the Word. Before it is ever spoken aloud, the word was traced by the hand of the Endless known as Destiny on the first pages of his book.*
___ The time-travelling Spectre finally succeeds in defeating Shathan.
___ The next three of the Endless to come into existence are Death, Dream, and Destruction. It is known that Destruction, the youngest of the three, comes into being as the first sentient beings emerge in the universe.
___ Entities known as the Aurakles also come into being at this time.
___ At some undisclosed point early in the creation of the universe however, after the first four of the Endless, the Archangels known as Lucifer, Uriel, Raphael, Michael, Saraquael, Gabriel, and Ragual come into existence. Early on one-third of the angels of Heaven, led by Lucifer, rebel against their master and are banished to the metaphysical realm that will one day become known as Hell.
*Showcase #61 (March 1966), "Beyond the Sinister Barrier"
Now the Spectre:
Let's just jump to Hal Jordan's time:
When the fallen angel Asmodel stole the power of the Spectre, Hal Jordan was rescued from purgatory to help stop this new threat. Earth's Day of Judgment was stopped and the soul of Hal Jordan was bonded with the Spectre force to become the new Spectre. (See Day of Judgment #3 - 5)Hal takes on the Wrath, while Batman and Superman fight Mistos. Hal is able to transmute* the Wrath (with willpower ?) into 'the Logoz' (?)- basically a part of God. They defeat Mystos, by showing her that she'd trapped herself on Earth by believing that she was stuck there. The implication was basically that your beliefs change the world around you. This is another way of looking at what Hal was doing as GL, and there's the threat that 'the Logoz' might revert back to the nasty ol' spirit of vengeance if Hal is weak.?(Spectre (4th)#4)
Hal tries to help Two-Face by splitting off his darker side. It's a mistake, and he reintegrates them again. Yeah we create out own destiny, but in setting up that every soul decides how it's going to move forward be it by doing good or evil, it means that the Spectre really doesnt have anything to do. He can just sit on his ass and say it's all Gods will. Why 'allow' them to do evil ? Why 'allow' them to hurt the innocent ? He can prevent it, he can punish, he can teach- He 'should' be doing something. It's so weak. At least (going by the last page) this seemed to be 'the Spectre/ Logoz's will rather than Hals, but it doesn't make for great superheroics. (Spectre (4th)#5)
note:*transmute verb
change in form, nature, or substance :guess that settles that...
Straight out of that issue.
"I have not changed Hal -- you have! For at last you believe to the core of your being that there is hope... for yourself and the children of Earth. And in believing you have freed me from the tyranny of man's projections."
Hal: "This is your true face?"
"As best you can percieve it."
Hal: "Not a demon at all, you're a. . . a . . piece of God itself."
Then on page 14, for further backup..
"For far too long I have reflected darkness in the human heart. I have been everything they wanted me to be. For the moment at least, your belief has pierced the viel of The Wrath and revealed THE LOGOZ that lies beneath! But do you have the courage to continue seeing me this way? To overide the consensus of reality and embrace the possibilities of what you... what we... what the world...can become?"
Nah The Word and the Logos are the same being, ive already read that before, but here is a DC History page u have never seen before which shows The Word = The Logos = The Lord Jesus Christ.
http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/docs/pre20thcentury.html
The Source is Gods Will. The Source belongs at 2nd, and The Voice belong up with The Source as well nothing should be above or with The Source and The Voice not even Lucifer and Michael and The Word. These 3 belong at 3rd spot
Originally posted by Ex11B
Anti-Life Equation?..Destroyed 200 light years of space area?Just by being born?...what the heck kind of being is this? 😱 😱 😖 😖 🤨 🤨
The Anti-Life Equation is a sentient being from a warped and distant universe with unbelivable power. In a graphic novel written by Jim Starlin and penciled by Mike Mignola called Cosmic Odyssey The Anti-Life Equation is defined and fought against. To give you a small scenerio of how powerful Anti-Life is heres this, in order to stun it for literally "a micro second" as it's quoted from the book in order to save the universe which Anti-Life came so close to destroy, Dr. Fate, High Father(leader of the new gods), Orion, Darksied and Etrigen the demon had to combine all their energy to create something called the Cinque of Cosmic Power, now mind you while combined as the Cinque of Cosmic Power they were able to destroy an entire universe in this same novel but when they fired a blast that contained all the might they could muster at the Anti-Life Equation, it was only stunned for a micro second... nuff said'