The Doomsday Gauntlet

talk about funny. as for dd and thano -- check out the dd/thanos thread for the debate. and it IS debateable.

<<DD is at mad thor / Thanos level very funny and you can back this by what?>>

by the fact that he simply GRABBED amped supes and broke his arm? 😑 you think thanos could do that? not bloody likely . . .

seeing as how aw owns ss everytime they meet, i'd say it's fair to say aw is beyond ss's ability to control. and i LOVE your whole 'destroy molecule by molecule' attack! 😆 tell me again who exactly he has used this power on . . . oh wait, I'M the only one who is supposed to show evidence for everything, i forgot.

and damn -- you CONTINUE to repeat what i have said!!! yes ss and others could avoid him, YES they could remove him (though in a book i'm sure that would never happen or dd would adapt to the power)

what i ALSO said is IF they got in close HE WOULD KILL THEM. and they won't beat him with blasts.

let's review since it seems you're in one of 'those' moods:

IF they get in close dd will kill them.
IF they blast him it won't do a damn thing.
MAYBE ss could affect his genetic structure (though he has never used this as an attack before AND dd's genetic structure IS his greatest weapon)
YES ss and others could avoid him (again, never happen in a book)
YES dd is certainly in that mad thor/thanos strength class (or VERY close to it)
YES ss has been pounded into submission PHYSICALLY by thor and thanos (and LIKE HELL he was holding back against thor. aw AND ss together got stomped, and it sure as hell isn't inferred he was holding back)
YES dd kill ss with his hands if he catches him.

quit making ss out to be even more than he is. he can affect his genetics or it's a stalmate cuz ss avoids him or dd wins cuz ss gets to close. if this was the advanced version of dd, this wouldn't even be a debate.

Originally posted by leonidas
talk about funny. as for dd and thano -- check out the dd/thanos thread for the debate. and it IS debateable.

<<DD is at mad thor / Thanos level very funny and you can back this by what?>>

by the fact that he simply GRABBED amped supes and broke his arm? 😑 you think thanos could do that? not bloody likely . . .

seeing as how aw owns ss everytime they meet, i'd say it's fair to say aw is beyond ss's ability to control. and i LOVE your whole 'destroy molecule by molecule' attack! 😆 tell me again who exactly he has used this power on . . . oh wait, I'M the only one who is supposed to show evidence for everything, i forgot.

and damn -- you CONTINUE to repeat what i have said!!! yes ss and others could avoid him, YES they could remove him (though in a book i'm sure that would never happen or dd would adapt to the power)

what i ALSO said is IF they got in close HE WOULD KILL THEM. and they won't beat him with blasts.

let's review since it seems you're in one of 'those' moods:

IF they get in close dd will kill them.
IF they blast him it won't do a damn thing.
MAYBE ss could affect his genetic structure (though he has never used this as an attack before AND dd's genetic structure IS his greatest weapon)
YES ss and others could avoid him (again, never happen in a book)
YES dd is certainly in that mad thor/thanos strength class (or VERY close to it)
YES ss has been pounded into submission PHYSICALLY by thor and thanos (and LIKE HELL he was holding back against thor. aw AND ss together got stomped, and it sure as hell isn't inferred he was holding back)
YES dd kill ss with his hands if he catches him.

quit making ss out to be even more than he is. he can affect his genetics or it's a stalmate cuz ss avoids him or dd wins cuz ss gets to close. if this was the advanced version of dd, this wouldn't even be a debate.

That Same Superman was K.O by Nuclear bomb in the same issue. ohh wait 🙄

This is debate my friend not assumption game.

IF they get in close dd will kill them. -------- how DD couln't handle Supes speed. Character uses all the powers they posses he will kill Them? if he can't touch them? i have already shown Superman Mach speed was to much for DD.

IF they blast him it won't do a damn thing. -------- Again assumption i been asking evidence but all you have is OB and Supes punches? Darkseid was weakned.

MAYBE ss could affect his genetic structure (though he has never used this as an attack before AND dd's genetic structure IS his greatest weapon) ------- has DD ever resisted such attacks in the past? Nope so there no need to assume perphsed he will evolve past that but he wasn't

YES ss and others could avoid him (again, never happen in a book) ------ Never happend in book funny. Lets See Nano( light speed) vs a Guy with no Super Speed ha

YES dd is certainly in that mad thor/thanos strength class (or VERY close to it) -------- again assumption is all good no facts to back it up.

YES ss has been pounded into submission PHYSICALLY by thor and thanos (and LIKE HELL he was holding back against thor. aw AND ss together got stomped, and it sure as hell isn't inferred he was holding back) ---------------- by much physical Superior beings yes , no DD level

YES dd kill ss with his hands if he catches him. ------- If he catches which won't happend and he won't have the power.

you whole argument relies on DD is stong as Mad Thor? Which you haven't proven.

heck all you have done is assume.
Fact:
- DD is much slower than Superman, and Superman didn't use speed , and when he did DD couldn't even See him.
-DD is physically stronger than Superman how does that make him Mad Thor level is beyond me.

SS has manipulated Cell trapped people , Turned people into Energy form etc etc.

DD has never shown any resistance to that he might evolve past it but this is a one time fight.

Again you forget that DD is SLOW

I've posted this in other threads; I'll repeat it here...

Doomsday has the power to "evolve out of death," so to speak, even if he gets completely dematerialized. This implies that DD's power lies outside of DD himself: he has some "operational platform" from which he can keep coming back (otherwise we are granting DD the power of creatio ex nihilo, a truly divine ability).

The key to beating DD, then, is not to keep attacking DD, but to attack the source of his power.

Analogy: the Evil Light Bulb wants to blind everyone in the universe with its light. The Heroes keep defeating the Evil Light Bulb by breaking the glass; problem is, the Bulb keeps coming back with ever stronger glass.
Key to defeating the Bulb -- stop attacking/breaking the glass; attack and destroy the Bulb Changer.

Most (if not all) of the opponent's in DD's gauntlet should have this kind of power (certainly Surfer and Thor). It means fighting smart (probably using physics we mortals can't even guess at), not just throwing bigger bolts around. It means fighting like Batman, not like Superman (and Superman beat DD in a later incarnation by fighting smart, ie, using DD's fear against him).

<<Most (if not all) of the opponent's in DD's gauntlet should have this kind of power (certainly Surfer and Thor). It means fighting smart (probably using physics we mortals can't even guess at), not just throwing bigger bolts around.>>

that argument is too semantical to stand up. 'they can beat dd by using something we can't think of'. it's akin to saying bats beats dd with prep. how? who knows, but bats would find a way!

funny thing is, i agree with it in theory -- if ss was to win, it would likely be because some writer was very creative. again, perhaps it would be because ss CAN affect his genetic structure, though i have my doubts. in any event, he wouldn't win by blasting him, which is what i've been (and i think you are also) saying. the other problem with your point is -- we don't know what this 'mythical source' is. where IS the bulb changer? what is he/she/it? if you're saying these guys would have the ability to FIND this bulb changer, i'd argue against it. darkseid is smarter/craftier than anyone on this list and HE couldn't find him/her/it. why would these others be able to do it?

Absolutely this approach involves a lot of "ifs," but then isnt that a point to fantasy: stretching the imagination. I just dont think comics should always take the route of Bigger is Better...this is how characters get amped to gimme-a-break levels of power

<<Absolutely this approach involves a lot of "ifs," but then isnt that a point to fantasy: stretching the imagination. I just dont think comics should always take the route of Bigger is Better...this is how characters get amped to gimme-a-break levels of powe>>

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Originally posted by Mindship
I've posted this in other threads; I'll repeat it here...

Doomsday has the power to "evolve out of death," so to speak, even if he gets completely dematerialized. This implies that DD's power lies outside of DD himself: he has some "operational platform" from which he can keep coming back (otherwise we are granting DD the power of creatio ex nihilo, a truly divine ability).

The key to beating DD, then, is not to keep attacking DD, but to attack the source of his power.

Analogy: the Evil Light Bulb wants to blind everyone in the universe with its light. The Heroes keep defeating the Evil Light Bulb by breaking the glass; problem is, the Bulb keeps coming back with ever stronger glass.
Key to defeating the Bulb -- stop attacking/breaking the glass; attack and destroy the Bulb Changer.

Most (if not all) of the opponent's in DD's gauntlet should have this kind of power (certainly Surfer and Thor). It means fighting smart (probably using physics we mortals can't even guess at), not just throwing bigger bolts around. It means fighting like Batman, not like Superman (and Superman beat DD in a later incarnation by fighting smart, ie, using DD's fear against him).

This is a one time battle it won't matter if he comes back or not.

And you don't need to fight smart.

DD just lacks the different type of Power to give someone like SS a good fight.

leo has just been saying This would not happen in BOOk.
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No Super speed , no evidence of his so call Mad THor level Strength and yet DD CAN win lol

Intelligence: Gifted
Strength: Vast Superhuman Strength. The Silver Surfer can augment the strength of his cosmic energy-powered body to a degree that rivals the Hulk's formidable rage-enhanced strength. Hence, he can endow himself with Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) well over 100 tons.
Flight Speed: Warp Speed
Stamina: Godlike
Durability: Totally Indestructible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agility: Enhanced human
Reflexes: Enhanced Human

Also I heard that Silver Surfer was the first person to beat Champion. That would enough for me to believe he could doomsday

Originally posted by leonidas
talk about funny. as for dd and thano -- check out the dd/thanos thread for the debate. and it IS debateable.

<<DD is at mad thor / Thanos level very funny and you can back this by what?>>

by the fact that he simply GRABBED amped supes and broke his arm? 😑 you think thanos could do that? not bloody likely . . .

seeing as how aw owns ss everytime they meet, i'd say it's fair to say aw is beyond ss's ability to control. and i LOVE your whole 'destroy molecule by molecule' attack! 😆 tell me again who exactly he has used this power on . . . oh wait, I'M the only one who is supposed to show evidence for everything, i forgot.

and damn -- you CONTINUE to repeat what i have said!!! yes ss and others could avoid him, YES they could remove him (though in a book i'm sure that would never happen or dd would adapt to the power)

what i ALSO said is IF they got in close HE WOULD KILL THEM. and they won't beat him with blasts.

let's review since it seems you're in one of 'those' moods:

IF they get in close dd will kill them.
IF they blast him it won't do a damn thing.
MAYBE ss could affect his genetic structure (though he has never used this as an attack before AND dd's genetic structure IS his greatest weapon)
YES ss and others could avoid him (again, never happen in a book)
YES dd is certainly in that mad thor/thanos strength class (or VERY close to it)
YES ss has been pounded into submission PHYSICALLY by thor and thanos (and LIKE HELL he was holding back against thor. aw AND ss together got stomped, and it sure as hell isn't inferred he was holding back)
YES dd kill ss with his hands if he catches him.

quit making ss out to be even more than he is. he can affect his genetics or it's a stalmate cuz ss avoids him or dd wins cuz ss gets to close. if this was the advanced version of dd, this wouldn't even be a debate.

doomsday's already been de-evolved into primordial ooze... when he regenerated from that he became the gog wars doomsday leaving his doomsday rex persona on apokilips....

attacking his genetic structure probably won't work at this point.

Originally posted by kgkg
No Super speed , no evidence of his so call Mad THor level Strength and yet DD CAN win lol

beating super speed characters like supes and flash, and pummbling powerhouses like supes, wonder woman and orion isn't enough evidence for you?

Originally posted by jinzin
beating super speed characters like supes and flash, and pummbling powerhouses like supes, wonder woman and orion isn't enough evidence for you?

Superman was coping Mach speed at this time.

Flash hey Grod hit him, Superman Grundy, darksied hit him.

Hitting some who is fast doesn't mean they have Super speed

Look at this scan
PIS and CIS always happen that's why Flash gets, tripped all the time

superman gets in one hit in a fight after building up a mile of steam to get headway to hit doomsday from BEHIND. and you think that's a better way to determine doomsday's speed than the multiple examples of evidence that put doomsday at faster combative and reactive skills than people like supes, ww, and flash?
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all you've proved with that pick is dd doesn't have spider sense so he can be hit from behind... big whoop... pffft. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
superman gets in one hit in a fight after building up a mile of steam to get headway to hit doomsday from BEHIND. and you think that's a better way to determine doomsday's speed than the multiple examples of evidence that put doomsday at faster combative and reactive skills than people like supes, ww, and flash?
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all you've proved with that pick is dd doesn't have spider sense so he can be hit from behind... big whoop... pffft. 🙄

Hitting Flash, Superman , WW?

Many people without Super speed has hit those people it's called PIS , CIS. It happens.

That scan Superman says: he will never know who hit him.

if he was faster than the flash it wouldn&#8217;t be the same would it.

go going by your so called has hit these guy I guess Grodd is faster than Flash to 🙄

so let me ask you how fast is DD? Light speed , mach?

Originally posted by kgkg
This is a one time battle it won't matter if he comes back or not.

One-time battle? Sheesh

>> cosmic bolt <<

Next.

Originally posted by kgkg
Did you not read my previous reply.

Hitting Flash, Superman , WW?

Many people without Super speed has hit those people it's called PIS , CIS. It happens.

That scan Superman says: he will never know who hit him.

if he was faster than the flash it wouldn&#8217;t be the same would it.

go going by your so called has hit these guy I guess Grodd is faster than Flash to 🙄

so let me ask you how fast is DD? Light speed , mach?

the difference between doomsday and your PIS CIS examples.. is that the characters have consistently commented on his speed and their trouble keeping up with it..

thus if you think it's PIS CIS despite him having a consistent showing that supports the claims to his speed, but no evidence of him being slow, you have an argument that's for shit. No offense but you have to have a reason to call something PIS.. like if it was outside of doomsday's abilities to do on a regular basis.. it's not..

you're arguing how you want the character to be rather than accepting how he's been presented.. I'm not impressed.

I don't know how fast doomsday is but he certainly outspeeds superman on a consistent basis.. if you need examples of superman's speed in combat go check out the goku vs.. supes thread because they are in abundance there. Doomsday has a considerable level of super speed in combat and reflexes your ONE mis-represented pic doesn't change that.

Do we see doomsday thinking "agggg I don't know what's hitting me!" ..no we see superman using a figure of speech after hitting doomsday from behind.. once again.. big whoop... yawn

Originally posted by jinzin
the difference between doomsday and your PIS CIS examples.. is that the characters have consistently commented on his speed and their trouble keeping up with it..

thus if you think it's PIS CIS despite him having a consistent showing that supports the claims to his speed, but no evidence of him being slow, you have an argument that's for shit. No offense but you have to have a reason to call something PIS.. like if it was outside of doomsday's abilities to do on a regular basis.. it's not..

you're arguing how you want the character to be rather than accepting how he's been presented.. I'm not impressed.

I don't know how fast doomsday is but he certainly outspeeds superman on a consistent basis.. if you need examples of superman's speed in combat go check out the goku vs.. supes thread because they are in abundance there. Doomsday has a considerable level of super speed in combat and reflexes your ONE mis-represented pic doesn't change that.

Do we see doomsday thinking "agggg I don't know what's hitting me!" ..no we see superman using a figure of speech after hitting doomsday from behind.. once again.. big whoop... yawn

Sure didn't seem like it in Hunter/Prey

And back then Flash and flash were both having trouble with Mach with acceleration.

He still won't be seeing Silver Sufer.

And the speed argument is mute, never has shown Speed in battle can you show some scan? Of this so called speed ?

Originally posted by kgkg
Ok say he was faster than Flash/ Superman.

Sure didn't seem like it in Hunter/Prey

you mean like when he grapped supermans arm and broke it so fast superman didn'thave time to react to it?

Originally posted by kgkg
And back then Flash and flash were both having trouble with Mach with acceleration.

Originally posted by kgkg
He still won't be seeing Silver Sufer.

Originally posted by kgkg
And the speed argument is mute, never has shown Speed in battle can you show some scan? Of this so called speed ?

it's not "mute" (🙄 ) it's the topic at hand, it's what we're discussing... 😕

sure I can..

he's tied up ww in her own lasso and smacked flash with it, he messed up supes with his speed plenty.. there's the whole booster gold scenario, the time he was outspeeding maxima's punch at the gas staton. the fact is posting a scan is only going to further assert what we already know and what you REFUSE to accept without labeling it as PIS so what's the point?

Originally posted by jinzin
you mean like when he grapped supermans arm and broke it so fast superman didn'thave time to react to it?

clearly as superman was lapping the globe in less than minutes and flash was evacuating cities... 🙄

you mean like hulk does?

it's not "mute" (🙄 ) it's the topic at hand, it's what we're discussing... 😕

sure I can..

he's tied up ww in her own lasso and smacked flash with it, he messed up supes with his speed plenty.. there's the whole booster gold scenario, the time he was outspeeding maxima's punch at the gas staton. the fact is posting a scan is only going to further assert what we already know and what you REFUSE to accept without labeling it as PIS so what's the point?

When I mean DD is slow. Slow in term of SS speed and no i don't think he is faster than Superman.

Yes people like Superman have said he is fast this and that.

It also said he was going at half the speed of sound. (Very fast)

Around the Globe in a minute ? hmmmm SS checked every spot on earth in less than a second.

DD is mach speed nothing more. Superman and Flash when they had a race they were accelerate at mach speed. (read the issue where superman and flash race each other)

You mean like hulk does? ya when SS is not using his speed here is SS using his speed against hulk.

Prove that DD is faster than Mach. Superman has been getting faster through out the year