Kyle and Obi versus Sidious

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Who wins?

Kyle and Obi versus Sidious

This is NJO Kyle and ROTS Obi-Wan. Can they take the Dark Lord?

Setting in the bridge of the Death Star II, as seen in ROTJ.

Im not familiar with how strong NJO Kyle is. Can anyone give me some info?

Kyle is an ex-bounty hunter who was incredibly skilled with blasters and weapons, even beated Boba Fett. He has gone from force sensetive to non-force sensetive and then back again, that may give him some lack of force experience. But he has some of the power of the valley of the jedi which made him stand up to the strongest dark jedi at that time with about 3 days of practising with his lightsaber and the force. Later he became a master at Lukes academy and became a powerful jedi master. Kyle often mixes between defensive and offensive force powers making him an unpridictable and good fighter. Too tired to post about the fight, I'll do that tomorow.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Im not familiar with how strong NJO Kyle is. Can anyone give me some info?

Kyle Katarn was an elite Rebel agent entrusted with some of the most crucial missions of the Rebel Alliance. It was Katarn that single-handedly infiltrated an Imperial installation on Danuta, securing the technical plans of the Empire's Death Star battle station.
A former Imperial, Katarn was born on the Sullustan colony moon of Sulon, living a simple existence as a farmer with his father Morgan. Unaware of his father's Rebel sympathies, Kyle joined the Imperial Academy at Carida. He was indoctrinated and became a decorated Imperial trooper.

While in the Academy, Kyle's father was killed. Official records indicated that the elder Katarn had been murdered by Rebel dissidents. Kyle learned the truth, however, from a Rebel agent named Jan Ors. His father was killed by the Empire for treason. Disgusted with the institution he had joined, Kyle discarded his badges and merits, and cast away his Imperial trappings. He resolved to join the Rebellion.

Kyle became a highly capable and recommended Rebel agent, vouched for by the respected Jan Ors. Kyle drew the attention of no less than Mon Mothma, leader of the Alliance. She entrusted Katarn with that fateful mission to Danuta, and after the Battle of Yavin, Katarn was instrumental in quelling the threat of the Imperial dark trooper project.

Returning to Sulon, Kyle learned that his father had been aiding a refugee effort on the barren world of Ruusan. Morgan had discovered ancient ruins on Ruusan pointing the way to the Valley of the Jedi, the fabled battleground between the ancient Jedi and Sith. The Valley represented a great focal point of energy that if exploited could turn the tide in the perpetual battle between light and dark. Kyle knew that the location of the Valley should never fall into Imperial hands.

Others were already on the path to discovering the Valley, however. The Dark Jedi Jerec and his six henchmen, Gorc, Pic, Maw, Sariss, Boc and Yun, were determined to seize the nexus of power. One by one, Katarn defeated them, though in his aggressive strikes, he came dangerously close to succumbing to the dark side of the Force.

Deep in the Valley of the Jedi, Kyle confronted Jerec, the very man who had killed Morgan Katarn. The two did battle, and when Kyle slew Jerec, he fulfilled an ancient prophecy. The spirits of long-dead Jedi, trapped in the Valley for a thousand years, were finally freed. With this energy unleashed, the Valley of the Jedi's worth as a weapon was effectively eliminated.

Long used to operating independently, Katarn at first refused Luke Skywalker's offer to become a Jedi apprentice. Instead, he continued to serve the Alliance, now the New Republic, on many important missions. After a troubling run-in with the dark side on the forgotten Sith world of Dromund Kaas, Katarn conceded that he would benefit from Skywalker's tutelage, and joined the Jedi Master's fledgling Jedi academy.

Kyle is human male with rugged good looks and an athletic build. He brandishes a green-bladed lightsaber, though he has been known to have access to a veritable arsenal of personal weaponry. He often travels with Jan Ors aboard the battered starship, the Moldy Crow.

Source : SW.com Databank

I don't think so. Obi got pwnd by Dooku and Kale, well, forgive me if what my thoughts on Kalr's level of power is inaccurate but I doubt Kale could beat ROTS Anakin. So it'd be like ROTS Obi-Wan and ROTS Anakin - a little versus smeone I believe is stronger than Dooku. Okay, they might win now that i think about it but I already voted. And if I could change my vote I'm not sure if I would.

As much as I love Kyle, and he is incredibly strong, he can't take this. Obi will be cannon fodder for Sidious. Kyle puts up a valiant effort, and with Godmode on he could win, but without it, he loses.

The duo take this. Kyle is close to Dooku on his own. Weaker for sure, but close. Obi-wan will give the extra push to take Dooku down.

That would work... If they were fighting Dooku...

lol. wow. I can't believe I did that.

😆 That's alright; we all make mistakes.

So can anyone body actually tell me how powerful NJO Kyle is; I know everything about him before NJO...but during and after...no idea...

I'd say the Empeor, although he'd be extremely hard-pressed to do so. Obi-Wan is an amazing duelist himself, and would give Sidious fits with his mastery of Soresu. And Kyle, being into the 'Unifying Force' theory, wouldn't hold back at all. This would be a terribly hard fight, and one that could conceivably go either way, but I think Palpatine's mastery of the Dark Side and his tendency for 'dirty' fighting win the day for him.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
I'd say the Empeor, although he'd be extremely hard-pressed to do so. Obi-Wan is an amazing duelist himself, and would give Sidious fits with his mastery of Soresu. And Kyle, being into the 'Unifying Force' theory, wouldn't hold back at all. This would be a terribly hard fight, and one that could conceivably go either way, but I think Palpatine's mastery of the Dark Side and his tendency for 'dirty' fighting win the day for him.

Personally, I agree that this battle could go either way. Individually, he is more powerful than either opponent, but Kyle is a damn powerful Jedi in his own right, and so is Obi-Wan. But, Sidious is superior to Obi-Wan in saber ability and Force aptitude by far, so he'd serve, really, as a mild distraction. Obi-Wan can't contend with Sidious, unless Kyle really helps him out. Obi-Wan will die in this, perhaps as easily as Dooku took him out. Kyle might take advantage of the oppourtinity and slay Sidious or the Dark Lord might be too tired to keep on. I'd say Sidious, simply because - as you said - he fights dirty.

Well, Kyle really isn't that much better than Obi-Wan. I doubt that he'd last much longer against Sidious than Obi-Wan, let alone defeat him.

I think Obi-Wan could easily hold Sidious at bay unless Sidious fights dirty (which is likely). If Kyle is as powerful as you say he is in NJO, then he should be able to take out Sidious, although this could go either way...

Originally posted by exanda kane
I think Obi-Wan could easily hold Sidious at bay unless Sidious fights dirty (which is likely). If Kyle is as powerful as you say he is in NJO, then he should be able to take out Sidious, although this could go either way...

To quote Yoda, "Strong enough to take on Lord Sidious, you are not." Sidious is, at the very least, as powerful as Count Dooku, who wasted Obi-Wan in melee combat. Sidious's saber skills are not as refined as Dooku's, but aren't leagues beneath him either. He is by far the more powerful Force user, and I wouldn't wager Obi-Wan could defeat him in a saber duel. Obi-Wan would probably last as long as he did against Dooku. 1-2 minutes.

Look at my post again. "hold Sidious at bay" not defeat him. Obi-Wan is a supremely proficient defensive fighter (and althought I did you 'easily' perhaps unwisely there) he could hold Sidious at bay.

Perhaps Obi-Wan is stronger defensively than Mace, which may be true, and Mace was able to hold back Sidious force-lightning.

Problem is, Obi wan isn't much good fighting with a team member, his defensive genius, and ability to parry any strike is useful only to him if he isn't attacking, like he would have to if he and kyle were to attack sidious, two being on the defensive against one wouldn't work.

So Kyle goes DS again and attacks some crap.

You guys call it dirty fghting, I call it smart. 😄

Sidious lives to see another day...Well, actually, since they are on the DS and that doesn't rotate... No day or night... oh well.