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try the last one it includes the U.S.

CAN YOU SAY "PWNED" KIDS!!!!!

And did you actually read it?

Note, however, that in the US there is NO levy collected on "ordinary" CD-Rs

Dont need to when I used it for my college debate. The levey has been there for years for the US since about 94

ONCE AGAIN PWNED!!!

You 'pwned' nothing as obviously you didn't completely read it.

And quit double-posting. There's an edit function, use that.

http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050127.gtlevyletter0127/BNStory/Technology/

Another article that states Americans also have a levy. Not so idiotic now huh. You should really read stuff and research before debating. No use in debating against someone who knows more than you. Just because your a MOD doesnt mean you know more than anyone else.

That link just once again only talks about Canada and does not anywhere mention the US, other than where it says "Even the current levy cost of $0.21 for each blank CD is already far in excess of the typical wholesale cost, forcing Canadians to frequently pay twice as much or more than Americans for the same blank CDs."

And I have never heard of any such thing in the US. Nor have I ever seen CD-R's that are labelled "CD-R Audio", so the whole levy is pointless.

Originally posted by Lana
That link just once again only talks about Canada and does not anywhere mention the US, other than where it says "Even the current levy cost of $0.21 for each blank CD is already far in excess of the typical wholesale cost, forcing Canadians to frequently pay twice as much or more than Americans for the same blank CDs."

And I have never heard of any such thing in the US. Nor have I ever seen CD-R's that are labelled "CD-R Audio", so the whole levy is pointless.

um... Im about done debating something to someone who doesnt want to accept the facts and especially since they have the truth infront of them. Like how dumb can you be. What do you think music cds are made from. Have you been living under a rock your entire life stuck to KMCs forum only. When you burn music where do you burn it onto, dont you burn it onto a blank cd like a CD-R,+R,RW, I know I do and most of everyone else does too. So please take a chill, research then accept the fact that Im right and your wrong.

Originally posted by Lana
No they don't, because blank CDs are made primarily for computer storage, and are not in any way affiliated with the music industry.

Just for computer storage, last time i checked we had stuff on cds ranging from music to software to movies.

And you're obviously not paying attention to anything.

It says that 'ordinary' CD-Rs are not subject to the levy, only CD-R Audio. Only differentiation is the name. Never have I seen CD-Rs labelled as 'audio', and considering the number of CD-Rs that I buy, from all brands and all different stores, I'm guessing there's a reason for that.

I don't burn music, btw. I use blank CDs to back up computer files.

There is no such thing as a CD-R Audio.

This is starting to make me scared that you are a MOD.
If you can find proof that CD-R Audio exist then i will believe you.

It says right in the one article you posted, which is only affirming my belief that you didn't actually read it.

At least 25 countries, including most G-7 and European Union members, have introduced comparable regimes with respect to the private copying of sound recordings. Canada is one of the last to do so.

The USA is often held out as an example of a place where "this could never happen", but as far as I can tell, it has been law there since December 8, 1994. It is part of Title 17, section 1004, and if you go to:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1004.html

you will find this paragraph:

(b) Digital Audio Recording Media. - The royalty payment due under section1003 for each digital audio recording medium imported into and distributed in the United States, or manufactured and distributed in the United States, shall be 3 percent of the transfer price. Only the first person to manufacture and distribute or import and distribute such medium shall be required to pay the royalty with respect to such medium.

Note, however, that in the US there is NO levy collected on "ordinary" CD-Rs When the legislation was last changed (in 1994/1995) CD-Rs were not seen as a media intended for copying music. There IS a levy applied to other digital media, such as DAT and CD-R Audio.

Yes and it shows you didnt read the Title, the article is from 2003.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00001004----000-.html
here is 2005 version

That link is right in the part that I posted, which I did indeed read. It says the legislation hasn't been changed since 94, so therefore the part I posted is still valid.

(b) Digital Audio Recording Media.— The royalty payment due under section 1003 for each digital audio recording medium imported into and distributed in the United States, or manufactured and distributed in the United States, shall be 3 percent of the transfer price. Only the first person to manufacture and distribute or import and distribute such medium shall be required to pay the royalty with respect to such medium.

Here you go then, and this will be my last post. Nice debate by the way but i think i won this time.

I read and posted that bit already, thanks, try reading my posts.

And in the article you posted, it says this immediately after.

Note, however, that in the US there is NO levy collected on "ordinary" CD-Rs When the legislation was last changed (in 1994/1995) CD-Rs were not seen as a media intended for copying music. There IS a levy applied to other digital media, such as DAT and CD-R Audio.

So I think this is a case where neither won, because while there is apparently a levy on blank CDs, it does not apply to all.

And I must say that such a thing is inherently very stupid as blank CDs are used for things other than burning music.

You ( Lana ) should have closed this cause its gone off-topic

and I think a bit hostile also.. nino seems to be very volatile, rather than constructively having a conversation

Yeah, I think this thread is gone....not really the type of thing we should have on here anyway, since illegal talk is against rules.