Originally posted by illadelph12
A planet with Doom, Reed, T'Challa, High Evolutionary, Forge, Mr. Sinister, Pym, A.I.M., etc, and random Shi'Ar, Kree, and Cellestial tech scattered about being assimilated and improved/adapted to in the late 20th century and early 21st century is far from a technologically remedial planet, leo. Reed, alone, has invented tech that countered technologically advanced races.The Kryptonian engineering angle is kind of a moot point.
And also, don't forget, Nimrod was from a future timeline, he wasn't a 20th century 616 MU invention.
true, but none of them actually developed nimrod, did they? i'd actually forgotten he was a future creation. how far in the future? in any event, the level of tech is still relevent -- nimrod is a machine created in the future. kryptonian scinence basically created life when they made dd.
dd has again not yet shown a limit to what he can adapt to. sorry ill, gotta go with dd on this one. though the dd we're discussing would determine how close a fight it is.
the technology in the marvel future where Nimrod comes from could rival the Kryptonians technology, given that in the 20th & 21st centuries there are already people like Doom & Reed and Celestial & Shi Ar technology. the tech advances alone, in marvel earth the last 30-40 years when the first sentinel was made to the most powerful tri-sentinel and semi-sentient mastermold would indicate that the advances the next century or two would be enormous.
A little more Info on Nimrod-
Nimrod is the most highly advanced form of Sentinel robot possible for the technology of his native time period and reality to create. It is not known from what materials Nimrod was constructed, but his robotic form is highly resistant to damage even by superhuman beings. Nimrod can convert his outward appearance to resemble that of an ordinary human being. Nimrod can also reconstruct himself so as to make improvements in his robotic form and internal systems that will make him a more formidable opponent.
Even when smashed to pieces, Nimrod can reintegrate the portions of his body to become whole again. Apparently Nimrod's electronic consciousness can somehow exist independently of his physical body, at least temporarily. It has been speculated that Nimrod has complete control of his component parts down to the molecular level. If so, then Nimrod might have to be reduced to powder in order to be destroyed, and he might even be able to reconstitute his form from that state.
It has also been speculated that Nimrod has the potential to evolve somehow into a "techno-organic" form of life, similar to the Magus or Warlock, although presumably not having the Magus's extraordinary level of power.
Nimrod contains highly advanced computer systems as well as scanning devices that make it possible for him to determine whether a human being is a superhuman or not, and if he or she is, to determined the nature of his or her superhuman abilities. Like present-day Sentinels, Nimrod can draw upon devices and systems within his robotic body in order to cope with or neutralize an opponent's superhuman power once he has determined the nature of that power. If there is no pre-existing means within Nimrod of fighting against his opponents superhuman power, it is possible that, if he has sufficient knowledge, Nimrod can devise such a means within himself before his next battle with this opponent.
As yet not all of Nimrod's built-in weaponry has been observed. It is known, however, that Nimrod can project extraordinarily powerful concussive blasts of energy, as well as bolts of plasma and disintegrator beams. Nimrod can also project magnetic energy that enables him to levitate enormous quantities of iron and steel. Nimrod can create force fields about himself.
Nimrod can teleport himself but the limitations on this ability are unknown.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Hmm...You know, I might catch a lot of heat for this, but I'll play devil's advocate, and I'll take Nimrod.
My reasoning for saying this is that Nimrod (the classic Nimrod before being reworked into Bastion) not only had a database of all mutant powers that he had either encountered or were documented, but he also had technology that could examine the genetic structure of his targets to either counter or nullify their x-genes, rendering mutants powerless against him.
Doomsday's powers are genetic.
Nimrod could analyze Doomsday and nullify the biochemical process that facilitate his adaptations, which are a physical change in his body, and once that happens, it's down hill for Doomsday, because like him, Nimrod adapts on the fly, but Nimrod also has a vast energy projection arsenal, as well as being outfitted with time travel hardware. Not to mention Nimrod has far superior intelligence, and unlike a hero, he doesn't have any emotional or moral hang ups to hinder his judgment.
I'd give Nimrod the slight majority out of 10.
As usual a well thought out post.
A major problem for Nimrod is that he has already fought a Motherbox enhanced Supes and Waverider simultaenously. Together, they both have just about everything Nimrod has, to a greater extent plus more.
Waverider, a powerful time/space manipulator tried to stop DD's immune system, and the feedback KO'd him. The same would probably happen to Nimrod. Lets not forget that DD has been shown to manipulate energy and evolve on the fly as well.
Things don't look good for Nimrod on any level here.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
As usual a well thought out post.
A major problem for Nimrod is that he has already fought a Motherbox enhanced Supes and Waverider simultaenously. Together, they both have just about everything Nimrod has, to a greater extent plus more.
Waverider, a powerful time/space manipulator tried to stop DD's immune system, and the feedback KO'd him. The same would probably happen to Nimrod. Lets not forget that DD has been shown to manipulate energy and evolve on the fly as well.Things don't look good for Nimrod on any level here.
Did Waverider specifically analyze and attack Doomsday's genetic structure, or simply his immune system? There's a huge degree of difference.
Besides, Nimrod is not a Motherbox enhanced Supes or Waverider. Doomsday has not encountered Nimrod, and would need to adapt specifically to him. Nimrod brings a completely different ability set to the table than Supes or Waverider. Not to mention Nimrod's own teleportation and chronal abilities. There's a lot more on this table than simply Doomsday is stronger than Supes and adapts so he automatically wins.
If you look at it from a tactical standpoint, objectively, Nimrod poses a large threat to Doomsday, especially given that his powers specifically deal with the analysis of the genetics of superhumans, ascertaining the scope and source of their powers, and counteracting, or outright nullifying, their superhuman effects and leaving the target vulnerable. Doomsday's abilities are wholey genetic. His greatest strength could become an inherrent flaw if attacked properly, and Nimrod has the tools to do so.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Did Waverider specifically analyze and attack Doomsday's genetic structure, or simply his immune system? There's a huge degree of difference.Besides, Nimrod is not a Motherbox enhanced Supes or Waverider. Doomsday has not encountered Nimrod, and would need to adapt specifically to him. Nimrod brings a completely different ability set to the table than Supes or Waverider. Not to mention Nimrod's own teleportation and chronal abilities. There's a lot more on this table than simply Doomsday is stronger than Supes and adapts so he automatically wins.
If you look at it from a tactical standpoint, objectively, Nimrod poses a large threat to Doomsday, especially given that his powers specifically deal with the analysis of the genetics of superhumans, ascertaining the scope and source of their powers, and counteracting, or outright nullifying, their superhuman effects and leaving the target vulnerable. Doomsday's abilities are wholey genetic. His greatest strength could become an inherrent flaw if attacked properly, and Nimrod has the tools to do so.
You're correct. Nimrod is far inferior to a motherbox, which was enhancing Supes on the fly, and Supes was still getting his *** handed to him. Waverider uses chronal energy, which pretty much no biological creature should have any defense against, and DD had never faced before, and was made fairly useless.
Nimrod goes down hard and fast, like just about everyone else DD faces.
would the neural dislocator things work on doomsday like they did on the juggernaut? id say nimrod avoids him long enough to stan for a weakness, develops a weapon to exploit it and win. doomsday returns, nimrod finds a new weakness and so on.
doomsday cant fly and jumping doesnt have the precision or speed of flight, and nimrod has a forcefield so he can avoid fairly well for a while. even if hes caught and torn in half he comes back. in the end doomsday would develop an intellect to combat nimrod, nimrod would create a fear enducing weapon that keeps doomsday powerless long enough to deposite him in the sun, all he has to do is throw him from space, he cant fly so cant change his direction.
it would take him a very long time to reach the sun but there isnt much he could do in the mean time, he isnt being damaged so he wont adapt to anything until hes in the sun. even if he survives that hed find it difficult to escape the suns gravity, hed take a very long time to return to earth, nimrod sences him comming with his freaky equipment and incapacitates him long enough to hurl him into space where he drifts for millions of years. not dead but it ends the fight.
Originally posted by DecayEh, Doomsday can't reall fly, but he can do control jump, even turning and shifting and changing direction in mid jump. Superman made note of how he learned to do it in Death of Superman.
would the neural dislocator things work on doomsday like they did on the juggernaut? id say nimrod avoids him long enough to stan for a weakness, develops a weapon to exploit it and win. doomsday returns, nimrod finds a new weakness and so on.doomsday cant fly and jumping doesnt have the precision or speed of flight, and nimrod has a forcefield so he can avoid fairly well for a while. even if hes caught and torn in half he comes back. in the end doomsday would develop an intellect to combat nimrod, nimrod would create a fear enducing weapon that keeps doomsday powerless long enough to deposite him in the sun, all he has to do is throw him from space, he cant fly so cant change his direction.
it would take him a very long time to reach the sun but there isnt much he could do in the mean time, he isnt being damaged so he wont adapt to anything until hes in the sun. even if he survives that hed find it difficult to escape the suns gravity, hed take a very long time to return to earth, nimrod sences him comming with his freaky equipment and incapacitates him long enough to hurl him into space where he drifts for millions of years. not dead but it ends the fight.
And it doesn't take DAMAGE to make him adapt, he just does it, pure and simple. He'd immediately evolve past a fear inducing weapon.And sonic attacks don't work on Doomsday, they already tried.
i always thought he needed to be injured before hed adapt to whatever was causing the injury, for example if he was set on fire hed develop thicker fire resistant skin, rather than seeing someone about to use fire and adapting before it came into contact.
i still think nimrod would win, sonic attempts to skrew with his brain might not work, but nimrod has, or can develop weaponry to take on almost anything. he couldnt put doomsday down for the count be he could take him down many a time.
i guess this is one of the never ending kind of fights where no character can really kill the other. if its to a ko or something though nimrod wins.