Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But in "Smallville", Metropolis is in Kansas. I remember Clark and Lana looking at a far away Metropolis from atop a windmill on the outskirts of Smallville, and Smallville is in Kansas, right?And isn't Smallville in Kansas in the comics too?
Never, ever again claim that Smallville is a source of Superman continuity.
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ok people, this is what i think. Yes, Christopher reeve is always going to be "the superman of superman" its good they start from superman II and i think brian singer is a talented guy who could do a really interesting job.
But "the fu....... costume", oh my god, its simply too crappy to be real.
Come on, dont accept it just because is the first superman movie in almost twenty years, its a real piece of sh...
I dont care if singer is a fan of the fleischer cartoons, that is not superman, that is not the superman emblem, that is not how superman looks like.
DEAL WITH IT AND ACCEPT THAT SINGER IS REALLY SCREWING THINGS UP BY MESSING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS PERFECTLY OK.
Routh, i dont know him, ive never seen him acting, i like the voice, much better than welling pre-teen sissy voice, and i think he could do it nicely if given a chance.
But please, just accept it, if you want to replace christopher reeve, at least dress the character in a decent way. Im not opposed to changes in the suit, the suit has been changing for decades, but that simply is not supermans suit.
If you want to a good new superman movie, wait until Richard Donner´s version of Superman II comes out in DVD. Im sure its gonna be great.
That´s all folks.
tyr
Originally posted by SpyCspider
do you guys know if they're keeping the same theme? i don't think i can ever get used to a new Superman theme....OH and the beginning of the trailer was eerily similar to the beginning of Batman Begins (kid falls thru and drops except the former probably finds out he can't be hurt or he floats...and the latter gets freaked out by bats)
Yep, Bryan Singer confirmed they'll be using the classic John Williams theme, but aside from that most of the soundtrack will be original.
Originally posted by tyr121
ok people, this is what i think. Yes, Christopher reeve is always going to be "the superman of superman" its good they start from superman II and i think brian singer is a talented guy who could do a really interesting job.
But "the fu....... costume", oh my god, its simply too crappy to be real.
Come on, dont accept it just because is the first superman movie in almost twenty years, its a real piece of sh...
I dont care if singer is a fan of the fleischer cartoons, that is not superman, that is not the superman emblem, that is not how superman looks like.
DEAL WITH IT AND ACCEPT THAT SINGER IS REALLY SCREWING THINGS UP BY MESSING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS PERFECTLY OK.
Routh, i dont know him, ive never seen him acting, i like the voice, much better than welling pre-teen sissy voice, and i think he could do it nicely if given a chance.
But please, just accept it, if you want to replace christopher reeve, at least dress the character in a decent way. Im not opposed to changes in the suit, the suit has been changing for decades, but that simply is not supermans suit.If you want to a good new superman movie, wait until Richard Donner´s version of Superman II comes out in DVD. Im sure its gonna be great.
That´s all folks.
tyr
You...do relise that the Max Fliescher Superman was identical to Joe Schuster and Jerry Siegal's Superman right? Y'know....the creators of Superman.......so, if anything, THAT is Superman, the original anyway. By the way, they didn't change the suit at all.
i loved it man the best thing i found about the Teaser was when everyone is looking up at the sky. That scene blows me away.
Can't wait for the film
watch it http://www.bluetights.net/
In "Smallville", the WB show, Metropolis is in Kansas, but it had to be to keep all the characters close to "Smallville", the town where most of the episodes take place, but to show a little growth they are in Metropolis from time to time. More and more as of recently.
In Superman, "Metrpolis" is actually New York, or better yet, a version of New York. Kinda like how Gotham City is Batman's New York. Pretty much Metropolis and Gotham are fictional New Yorks. They are both Island Citys, just like New York.
As far as the costume is concerned, that is actually very close to the original version of the creators vision of the costume. Theose are the people who created Superman himself, so Singer is taking a bunch of Sh... for doing something right. Funny, he took a bunch of Sh... for letting the X-men wear black leather instead of yellow leotards, and now he takes Sh... for keeping the original. Bryan, you just can't win...LOL...I think it all looks cool. And Brandon Routh is going to be a good Superman paying homage to the great late Reeve. And Marlon Brando as Jor-El! You have to respect that. Superman could wear a polka dot suit for all I care if Brando is still Jor-El.
Originally posted by 420
In "Smallville", the WB show, Metropolis is in Kansas, but it had to be to keep all the characters close to "Smallville", the town where most of the episodes take place, but to show a little growth they are in Metropolis from time to time. More and more as of recently.
That's because "Smallville" is the worst show on the planet. Well, almost.
Originally posted by 420
In Superman, "Metrpolis" is actually New York, or better yet, a version of New York. Kinda like how Gotham City is Batman's New York. Pretty much Metropolis and Gotham are fictional New Yorks. They are both Island Citys, just like New York.
I always thought Gotham was more like Chicago than anything.
Originally posted by Jedi Shmedi
By the way, they didn't change the suit at all.
Actually, they did. The "S" emblem, i noticed, is now on his belt buckle.
And the "S" on his chest is a bit higher than I've ever seen it on any Superman.
The cape along with any other red is a velvety/burgundy color.
What I don't like is dude's body. He's mad skinny. Superman is built.
He still looks young as hell. Right now, Routh could easily play young "Clark Kent" in "Smallville",.. as oppose to Reeve. Reeve looked the "Superman" part cause he looked mature. Routh doesn't look mature. Imagine a "Superman II; Reeve" as a young Clark Kent in Smallville. You can't. And thats how it should be with Routh.
He does look kinda convincing as "C. Kent, the Journalist", I'll admit.
Originally posted by tyr121
ok people, this is what i think. Yes, Christopher reeve is always going to be "the superman of superman" its good they start from superman II and i think brian singer is a talented guy who could do a really interesting job.
But "the fu....... costume", oh my god, its simply too crappy to be real.
Come on, dont accept it just because is the first superman movie in almost twenty years, its a real piece of sh...
I dont care if singer is a fan of the fleischer cartoons, that is not superman, that is not the superman emblem, that is not how superman looks like.
DEAL WITH IT AND ACCEPT THAT SINGER IS REALLY SCREWING THINGS UP BY MESSING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS PERFECTLY OK.
Routh, i dont know him, ive never seen him acting, i like the voice, much better than welling pre-teen sissy voice, and i think he could do it nicely if given a chance.
But please, just accept it, if you want to replace christopher reeve, at least dress the character in a decent way. I'm not opposed to changes in the suit, the suit has been changing for decades, but that simply is not Superman's suit.If you want to a good new superman movie, wait until Richard Donner´s version of Superman II comes out in DVD. I'm sure its gonna be great.
That´s all folks.
tyr
Look, I have qualms about the suit myself, but it looks like were gonna have to accept Singer's version of it. You yourself wrote, quote "I'm not opposed to changes in the suit, the suit has been changing for decades, but that simply is not Superman's suit." Than what is Superman's real looking suit look like since, as you said, the suits been changed for decades. Thats a few times. The thing is, is that there is no perfect Superman suit. I've seen about a dozen or more versions of the suit.
The suit does look different but it's what audiences may come to like and even get used too. Just like getting used to Routh as Superman. I had a big problem with the casting of Toby McGuire as Spiderman, now i can't imagine anyone fitting that role better than he did. I felt real good about "Batman Begins" since i first saw that trailer almost a year ago, i think during the Super Bowl, Jan '05 and I was exited. I feel even more optimistic now, with "Superman Returns"
Oh yea, and the part with the citizens all looking up in silence, was just amazing. It was as if they all saw Superman just zoom by, and thats the first time they had seen him. Imagine that. People that are in a rush and busy as hell, just stopping to look up at the sky, up at Superman. I'd stay looking up too, even if I was late for a good job. I'd be like "Holy Shit"..
You've just gotta think to yourself when you watch that trailer:
What are they looking at?? Whatever it is, it's not moving.... It's gotta be him, floating there above Metropolis, just to let everyone know that he's back... that's he's here for good and he's not gonna let anything bad happen to them again...
This movie is going to be awesome...
And now I've seen him moving, Routh DOES and I repeat DOES look the part... he might not be Reeve (no-one ever will...) but he looks serious and determined, just as Superman should....
I hope this movie reignites the Superman fanbase. 🙂
Then my pre-c comics'll be worth a mint! 😄
This movie is going to be truly amazing...
And did anyone notice the way the Brando voiceover is playing on the Christian theme? "That's why I'm sending them you, my only son...."
Amazing stuff.... I can't wait....
Gaz
Personally, I define "change" as in they did something to the costume that was never ever done in the comics. As far as I know, the only thing they changed was raising the S (is it really THAT big of a deal people?)
Yes the S is smaller, but the S has been small in the comics (hell it was small in 1938) So they didn't change it in that aspect. Yes the colors are darker, but the colors have been dark in the comics (look at the Ed McGuinness comics after 9/11) And I also know that there have been a few interpretations of Supes where he did actually have the S on his belt. Not many, but there were some.
You also have to look at it from a different points of view. A ten year-old won't care about the costume, it's freakin Superman, who every kid WANTS to be. As far as I know, everyone who looks at the costume won't say "Who the hell is that?" They'll say "That's Superman" Some of you are acting like no one will be able to recognize him because they chose to go with the version of the suit from the comics with the closed-collar, smaller S, Smaller boots, darker colors, smaller underoos (I can't even believe some of you are complaining about that) and the S on the belt. But the fact of the matter is, They WILL.
Fist, I agree with you all the way, but I refuse to believe they "changed" the costume.
look, the emblem is the worst trouble. I can deal with the colours meaning superman is darker and meaner, but that damned emblem is too small. Im sure the first time you saw routh as superman, thinked, wtf?, because the damn superman s is too f..king small.
Besides, when superman started is was drawn in a very rough way that wouldnt be acceptable today. The suit has modernized with time but always mantaining a certain consistency. The fleischer cartoons, despite being classic today, dont depict superman as we now recognize it. the look is just too diferent.
Reeves emblem wasnt perfect. but it was ok, no one complained about it.
Singer is just trying to change too much, too quickly.
PD: Look at rout dressed as superman and you cant deny the look is a bit strange specially for the emblem, it looks like a suit made by a two year old.