Originally posted by kgkg
it says reed ....................... Created the Big Bang.Reed early said
Big Bang = PF
No reed Created the Big Bang = PF
didn't even say anything about the force , heck Reed was all suprised he didn't even mention PF did he?
again PF is the force that created the big Band
those guys created that Spark.
Therefore PF is nothing but the byproduct of Reed if you wanna look at it that way
Incorrect KG. As i have shown to posters before your post and as i will now show you:
As you can see from these scans from both F4 531 and 532 respectively,it does NOT say that Reed created the Big Bang. You misread or misinterpreted. Either way it states that Reed and the Entitys desire to understand, their questions on their own existence were what triggered the Big Bang. Theres a difference between triggering something and creating it KG understand that.
If i light a stick of dynamite is the resultant explosion generated by my body? Does it derive from me directly or are my actions merely the catalyst?
Phoenix Force is the energies of creation it manifests as the Big Bang. This latest F4 story arc has revealed to us why and when Phoenix does that thats all.
As actually stated on panel their thoughts triggered it. They didnt create it. It didnt derive from them. Thats the difference. So no Phoenix is not a byproduct of Reed. You were incorrect. Reed and the Entity and Eternity are still very much byproducts of Phoenix the power of creation.
After the creation scene as they travel along the timestream in an attempt to understand life they finally discover the answer:
As we knew Eternitys the embodiment of all life in the universe. Everyone in 616 is an extension of Eternity as much a part of him as the stars. That is stated. Eternitys questions on his own existence were the trigger for the Big Bang. The manifestation of Phoenix. When Reed and the Entity travelled back to the pre 616 void and asked what is the meaning of life when they questioned existence they triggered the Big Bang instead. However it happened in the exact same way as when Eternity did it (prior to their time travelling and interference) because as revealed they are Eternity. They like everyone else are extensions of him. Therefore as stated the reason life was created in Marvel was because Eternity strived to understand his own existence (presumably whilst in the cosmic egg) and that proved to be the catalyst.
Reeds interference resulted in him actually being responsible for the creation of the F4. He was the intelligence behind the cosmic rays.
Eternity triggered off the Big Bang with his pondering and all life in Marvel are extensions of Eternity.
Those things were the revelations of that story arc. Nowhere did it state that Phoenix wasnt the Big Bang and nowhere did it say that Phoenix never created Eternity. As previous accounts all state those points are the case then a retcon hasnt taken place. We just know why and when the Big Bang occurs every creation cycle. 😉
