Originally posted by Khellendros
Shiva nearly killed Batgirl, and arguably only lost because she herself had a deathwish. Batman won and was relatively unscathed.
And they fought after Shiva did an uber chi move that she trained years to and said she could never do again... have to imagine she wasn't at 100%
If Cass and Bruce fought with out gadgets or prep, Bruce would almost certainly lose 7-8/10. Is Cass a better Ma then him? Technically... no. In fact she isn't even close, this was made pretty clear when she lost her move reading abilities. Batman said it would take years for her to start to get to his skill level with out her body reading ability. Both Shiva and Batgirl rely on this ability so technically speak the two of them are below Dragon, Hawke and even Batman in terms of pure skill.
And at the very worst DD is Batman's equal in the skill department.
All of the sudden, Daredevil seems to me very good. Cass a bullet-timer. But DD is also a bullet-timer. I mean Spidey had a hard time tagging him....Spiderman..not even Shiva can match Spidey's speed. DD is quite strong too...stood up to Sabretooth, Venom and was not defeated. Flipping a Limo...throwing 400lbs. DD might actually win!!!