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Which you denied, and I suggested. Then proved. They didn't only compare, they more or less tried to force.

i never denied it...i merely asked you to prove it...and you did...well done you...a big juicy bone from the butchers for you...

No, a writer called them that. Not Kerrang

kerrang being an inanimate bit of paper wont be calling anybody anything anytime soon...neither will NME...no matter how many writers agree of disagree with a point

they'd never outlive Creep.

now is that they as in NME or simply a writer for NME?...which is exactly the same thing you're trying to defend kerrang for...you really do have some strange double standards AC

No, don't misquote me

misquote you?...perhaps you should go check for yourself because they are your EXACT words...making a fool of yourself again AC...shock and surprise

Muse/Radiohead hounding and bashing

that would be the ONE interviewer...from the interview you mentioned....mmm...point well made again...or not

You haven't had any real experience with Kerrang so you are both:

i read kerrang religiously for years until they started harping on about shite like korn and all other new metal....so please dont make idiotic assumptions that you cant back up

Because citing System of a Down, Tool, Opeth and The Mars Volta as the world's greatest bands is as bad as citing The Libertines, The Kaiser Chiefs, The Arctic Monkeys and Goldie Lookin Chain as great bands isn't it?

i would say yes given that SOAD and opeth are pish and tool are the absolute defintion of overrated

I prove my point as I always do, with pictures this time

wow...you used a photo of a review of a gig from a magazine to prove a point that was wildly of topic from the main point that it beggers belief

then you contradict yourself at every turn which i prove with quotes from your own post...then you deny that you posted those words and accuse me of misquoting you....yeah...you're really proving your point...execpt of course that you're not are you?

You ignore it and post another link and say

that would be the link that you posted to try and prove that NME hate bands when they're small then fellate them when they're big...except for the fact that the link proved the complete opposite of that and made you look even more of a fool

i do wonder when you'll get over your delusion of kerrangs credibility...which they shoot massive chunks out of every time they feature shit bands on the cover and then say they're good....except of course that you try and get around that by blaming on the writers...is that your get out jail free card...

blame it on the new (new guy, retard, bloke with no taste and no credibility) of course the fact that the kerrang editors respect the opinion and writer enough to feature the stuff is completely lost on you isn't it

Originally posted by jaden101
i never denied it...i merely asked you to prove it...and you did...well done you...a big juicy bone from the butchers for you...

Yes, exactly. Asking for proof usually suggests you don't believe what I am saying, hence denial. If you knew I was correct, why request proof? Says a lot.

Originally posted by jaden101
kerrang being an inanimate bit of paper wont be calling anybody anything anytime soon...neither will NME...no matter how many writers agree of disagree with a point

I'd never plaster NME off the back of one writer, no matter how much I dislike their publication. You should afford the same to Kerrang in this case.

Originally posted by jaden101
now is that they as in NME or simply a writer for NME?...which is exactly the same thing you're trying to defend kerrang for...you really do have some strange double standards AC

Let's go over what I said in my last post. If it were the one writer, fine. It wasn't. I have seen many writers do it.

Originally posted by jaden101
misquote you?...perhaps you should go check for yourself because they are your EXACT words...making a fool of yourself again AC...shock and surprise

I said a few. It's evident that a few to you means more than it does to me. By a few, I do mean, a few. They're not plentiful. They weren't my exact words, once again being silly.

Originally posted by jaden101
that would be the ONE interviewer...from the interview you mentioned....mmm...point well made again...or not

Nah it wouldn't. It was consistant as you should know if you had researched your NME history. I don't buy NME, but I have read lots and lots of issues, lots of transcripts sent to me. Lots of reviews, lots off their site. It's consistant, not just one interviewer.

Originally posted by jaden101
i read kerrang religiously for years until they started harping on about shite like korn and all other new metal....so please dont make idiotic assumptions that you cant back up

Oh well isn't this something. You'd drop Kerrang for harping on Korn yet you won't say a bad word about NME for all the bands I've listed, that they champion. Talk about being overly one sided. Way to invalidate your words.

Originally posted by jaden101
i would say yes given that SOAD and opeth are pish and tool are the absolute defintion of overrated

Not only does this completely invalidate anything you specifically have to say (considering you like Ryan Adams and Maximo Park), but The Libertines as best british band, Franz Ferdinand as best newcomer isn't just defining overrated, it's something altogether worse.

You should write for NME. You diss music that you're too stupid to understand, like they do.

Originally posted by jaden101
wow...you used a photo of a review of a gig from a magazine to prove a point that was wildly of topic from the main point that it beggers belief

You claimed that Kerrang jumped on the Muse bandwagon, not me. I proved you wrong after you cockily suggested I do so, then when I did, you made fun of the fact that I provided proof. There's no escaping the idiocy there.

Originally posted by jaden101
then you contradict yourself at every turn which i prove with quotes from your own post...then you deny that you posted those words and accuse me of misquoting you....yeah...you're really proving your point...execpt of course that you're not are you?

You have barely even quoted me, let alone proven anything with quotes. The one time you quoted me recently, was fine. Only you went on to say it meant something that it didn't. So I corrected you. You pull shit out of your southern cavity, post it, then say I said it and use quotes like this to side track the debate. So from now on, I'm not gonna do you the courtesy of replying to them.

Originally posted by jaden101
that would be the link that you posted to try and prove that NME hate bands when they're small then fellate them when they're big...except for the fact that the link proved the complete opposite of that and made you look even more of a fool

Why are you continually saying that my point was that the NME collectively hate small bands and fellate them when they are big? I never said that (if you believe I did, quote me). The point I made and proved, is that they HAVE done that and that they DO fellate popular bands.

I have factually, undeniably proven this. You cannot deny that what I just said, happens. Because I have proved it in multiple posts, in multiple threads.

Originally posted by jaden101
i do wonder when you'll get over your delusion of kerrangs credibility...which they shoot massive chunks out of every time they feature shit bands on the cover and then say they're good....except of course that you try and get around that by blaming on the writers...is that your get out jail free card...

Here is what you are continually (and maybe purposefully) missing. If NME featured shit bands out of their obligation as a publication, but still dissed them, I would have no problem. Because that, which doing their job, is honesty. NME feature The Libertines, Kerrang feature Nickelback. NME label The Libertines best British band in year, Kerrang advise you to stay as far away from Nickelback as possible. Nickelback were featured, the job is then done. That doesn't mean you have to be dishonest and rate them well. NME genuinely perceive those bands to be good bands, good enough to be labelled the best British bands.

I label NME as shit because they like shit. They don't just feature it out of obligation, they like it. There are a few writers for Kerrang who love My Chemical Romance. They feature them on the cover. Shit? Yes, absolutely. But when M.C.R had a reviewer, two infact, that didn't like them, they ripped the piss out of them. NME don't do this. They not only suck off popular bands, but they genuinely do like shit.

Originally posted by jaden101
blame it on the new (new guy, retard, bloke with no taste and no credibility) of course the fact that the kerrang editors respect the opinion and writer enough to feature the stuff is completely lost on you isn't it

The fact that Kerrang now do have quite a shit editor (in my opinion) isn't something I'll deny. The magazine still has all the same writers who still write in the same way. Because as much of a mug as Paul Brannigan is, I'd choose him over the people who write for NME. Jo Whiley and The Queens of Noise.

-AC

They weren't my exact words,

yes...they were...infact here's the link to the page that you said it...now pick that chin up off the ground...there's a good boy

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10519&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2

Oh well isn't this something. You'd drop Kerrang for harping on Korn yet you won't say a bad word about NME for all the bands I've listed, that they champion. Talk about being overly one sided. Way to invalidate your words.

except that i've told you on many occasions of my dislike of coldplay, franz ferdinand, the artic monkeys and the darkness...you obviously failed to pay attention again...

(considering you like Ryan Adams)

ryan adams has infinitely more depth and variation to his music than any band or artist you have ever named...the proof is in his discography...and quite simply is just another point that proves you wrong

You diss music that you're too stupid to understand,

there's that great argument again...the old "you dont like it cause you dont understand it"...as for calling me stupid...stupid because what?'''because im the only person on this forum (with the exception of deano) who regularly pulverises your shallow and idiotic argumets to a pulp...your verbal bullying doesn't work on me AC...as proved on every debate we've had for the last 10 months...on a side note...what exactly is it you do that proves your intelligence?

I'm not gonna do you the courtesy of replying to them.

you said that about 2 posts ago so either you cant help making a fool of yourself or you know my posts are valid and on topic...which is it?

Why are you continually saying that my point was that the NME collectively hate small bands and fellate them when they are big? I never said that

you mean apart from when you said it regarding muse and radiohead...forgetting your arguments again...hardly surprising given that you cant even read your own quotes without denying that you posted it in the first place

The fact that Kerrang now do have quite a shit editor (in my opinion) isn't something I'll deny.

😆 ...brilliant...so now its someone elses fault that kerrang write good reviews of shit bands...

Jo Whiley

at least we can agree on something...i'd choose almost anyone over jo whiley...which i've stated before and well you know

lets go back abit to another great point that shows how you contradict yourself...remember you slated NME for doing a feature on trent reznor in the run up to the release of NIN last album...and remember when you defended kerrang by saying that they feature stuff thats relevant as in when bands are releasing new material

i remember that...i also know how daft it makes you look when you contradict yourself and tie yourself in knots like that...hey...i'm trying to help you out...you should be thankful someone like me is here to point out your mistakes

now if you're not going to reply this time then thanks for the debate...as always, its been fun

take it easy AC... 😉

one last thing...remember your point about NME being the only mag that likes the libertines

ahem

http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/libertines/libertines/#critics

Originally posted by jaden101
one last thing...remember your point about NME being the only mag that likes the libertines

ahem

http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/libertines/libertines/#critics

How many of those are British sole music publications Vs how many are internet/non-UK sources? More over, half of those are sarcastic swipes at them. Even when they are rated good, it's overrating (as any rating is with them):

"Some songs are sloppily stretched out and others simply half-finished, but the ample charms of Doherty and Barat are just enough to rescue any of these lows."

AKA these men are complete talentless mugs but they're loveable (false) so we like them.

I swear I explained to you about 5 times that when I said "only" it was an exaggeration. Talk about clutching at straws.

Originally posted by jaden101
yes...they were...infact here's the link to the page that you said it...now pick that chin up off the ground...there's a good boy

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10519&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2

You mean where I said "They have a few"? Yes, I said that. Not "NME have some good writers." Which you claimed were my exact words.

Originally posted by jaden101
except that i've told you on many occasions of my dislike of coldplay, franz ferdinand, the artic monkeys and the darkness...you obviously failed to pay attention again...

You're not paying attention. What you dislike isn't the issue, what NME LIKE is. They like Coldplay etc.

Originally posted by jaden101
ryan adams has infinitely more depth and variation to his music than any band or artist you have ever named...the proof is in his discography...and quite simply is just another point that proves you wrong

Gut laughed. Actually just gut laughed. It's not actually proof is it? It's you having a sheerly stupid, dumb, retarded view.

Ryan Adams more deep and having more variety than Rush, Tool, Opeth, Dredg, Led Zep, System, Queen...etc etc. Hahaha, such a dumb idiot. Yes, I'm having a laugh at you. Because with a quote like that, you actually deserve it. You deserve to be Tango'd for that.

Ryan Adams better than Mike Patton, hahaha. I'm gonna just go and assume you're joking.

Originally posted by jaden101
there's that great argument again...the old "you dont like it cause you dont understand it"...as for calling me stupid...stupid because what?'''because im the only person on this forum (with the exception of deano) who regularly pulverises your shallow and idiotic argumets to a pulp...your verbal bullying doesn't work on me AC...as proved on every debate we've had for the last 10 months...on a side note...what exactly is it you do that proves your intelligence?

Overlooking that obviously sarcastic Deano remark (it must have been, because you aren't that dumb. That or you just don't enter any threads), I'm not trying to verbally bully you champ. Calm down, just relax. You keep insisting that you pulverise my arguments, by that's all you're doing dude. Insisting it. You're not actually doing it because THIS is how you are debating. By not debating. I'm doing you too much credit by even indulging you.

My musical intellect is quite clearly above yours, considering you just told me Ryan Adams is better than any artist I've mentioned on here. That is all I need say on the issue. It really is.

Originally posted by jaden101
said that about 2 posts ago so either you cant help making a fool of yourself or you know my posts are valid and on topic...which is it?

See above. Where you never addressed anything on topic and served only to throw a jab with the power equal to that of a twig in a storm. That's how you debate though. You throw out a couple of points, which I inevitably crush, then spend the rest of it telling me how I'm doing stuff.

Originally posted by jaden101
you mean apart from when you said it regarding muse and radiohead...forgetting your arguments again...hardly surprising given that you cant even read your own quotes without denying that you posted it in the first place

Actually beyond dumb, the lack of understanding. I said they dissed Muse as a wannabe Radiohead consistantly, which they did. As proven. I said that they insisted Radiohead would never get out of the shadow of Creep until they got OK Computer. This is also true. That's all I ever claimed, I've proven right both of them.

Originally posted by jaden101
😆 ...brilliant...so now its someone elses fault that kerrang write good reviews of shit bands...

It is? Who said that? Cos it sure wasn't me. I just said they now have a shit editor. Not shit writers. And to say that you don't twist or assume, haha.

Originally posted by jaden101
at least we can agree on something...i'd choose almost anyone over jo whiley...which i've stated before and well you know

Exactly. So that's what I'm saying. NME like shit music and shit people.

Originally posted by jaden101
lets go back abit to another great point that shows how you contradict yourself...remember you slated NME for doing a feature on trent reznor in the run up to the release of NIN last album...and remember when you defended kerrang by saying that they feature stuff thats relevant as in when bands are releasing new material

i remember that...i also know how daft it makes you look when you contradict yourself and tie yourself in knots like that...hey...i'm trying to help you out...you should be thankful someone like me is here to point out your mistakes

Wanna tell me how often and consistantly the NME, as a collective publication, supported Nine Inch Nails, before With Teeth? Because Kerrang have. Point proven. NIN was the biggest hyped comeback, possibly ever. NME were right there.

Well, some of them. The others were off getting their stories from a drunk guy in a field at Glastonbury that they subsequently printed, without even checking if it were true or not.

-AC

I swear I explained to you about 5 times that when I said "only" it was an exaggeration. Talk about clutching at straws.

yes...you said it was an exaggeration...then claimed it all over again saying that except for NME...Q liked them a little bit...and hence you were wrong again

"NME have some good writers."

you cant even get the quotes from today right so what hope have you got of recalling the others...go back one page and you'll see that i claimed your quote was "I'm not denying NME of any good writers, they have a couple"...and not "NME have some good writers

you'll also see that they WERE YOUR EXACT WORDS...

Rush, Tool, Opeth, Dredg, Led Zep, System,

rock and metal....huge diversity there...ryan adams has covered more genres on his own than those 6 bands have combined...and as david brent would say "FACT"

Calm down, just relax.

perfectly relaxed as always mate...dont see me frantically searching for a 5 year old magazine to try and prove an off topic point...unlike some

My musical intellect is quite clearly above yours,

hahaha...laughable...nothing else needs said

Not shit writers.

The fact that Kerrang cover some shit bands is because they have some shit writers

wow...yet another contradiction courtesy of AC...again i'll say...wow

music and shit people.

you're right...they like the darkness...both shit music...and shit people...in a single...band...oh...you like them dont you...point made

NME were right there.

they sure were...especially when they said that the darkness and radiohead were shit...pity they changed their minds

i guess they just made the mistake of telling them in the interview as opposed to doing the interview...then slagging the bands...as per kerrang...the journalistic equivalent of talking to someone behind their back

are you going to be replying again?...let me use my mystic meg powers...a man with no taste in music and who is unable to string a coherent argument will make a post very soon...the letters A and C will be involved it toooOOOoooo

Originally posted by jaden101
yes...you said it was an exaggeration...then claimed it all over again saying that except for NME...Q liked them a little bit...and hence you were wrong again

I mentioned Q, yes. I didn't say it was solely them two. That's a leap you made, and failed. Just because I mentioned them together doesn't mean that's it.

Moreover, I was referring exclusively to UK publications. Not internet and non-uk. Read the links before you post them.

Originally posted by jaden101
you cant even get the quotes from today right so what hope have you got of recalling the others...go back one page and you'll see that i claimed your quote was "I'm not denying NME of any good writers, they have a couple"...and not "NME have some good writers

You still misquote me then. You said they were my exact words when you said that I said the NME have some good writers. Not exact words.

Originally posted by jaden101
you'll also see that they WERE YOUR EXACT WORDS...

I saw the quote, yes. I'm not denying I said what I said. You got technical when you said "my exact words" then quoted me and it was different. This is all a bit irrelevant since I'm not denying what I said.

Originally posted by jaden101
rock and metal....huge diversity there...ryan adams has covered more genres on his own than those 6 bands have combined...and as david brent would say "FACT"

So you're claiming Ryan Adams better than the following bands and artists: Faith No More (or anything to do with Mike Patton), Tool, Opeth, Dredg, Rush, Queen and Led Zeppelin?

A simple yes or no will do. I'm guessing it's yes, seeing as you already told me Ryan Adams was better than any band or artist I've ever mentioned, right? Just answer this so it can be known that you're musical opinion is worth zero.

Originally posted by jaden101
perfectly relaxed as always mate...dont see me frantically searching for a 5 year old magazine to try and prove an off topic point...unlike some

It's a couple of weeks old. Maybe a month or two at max. And it's more or less in the cupboard next to me. So you didn't see me frantically searching for a 5 year old magazine. Either way, it proved the point that you are yet to admit you were wrong on. So why don't you start with that?

Originally posted by jaden101
hahaha...laughable...nothing else needs said

"ryan adams has covered more genres on his own than those 6 bands have combined"

Indeed, nothing else be said.

Originally posted by jaden101
...yet another contradiction courtesy of AC...again i'll say...wow

You're twisting my words by taking my quotes out of context. Having a shit editor doesn't mean they have shit writers, is what I said. Such a pathetic thing to do. Take things out of context. I said they have shit writers because they do have some. This has nothing to do with the editor as you suggested, you completely oblivious fool.

Originally posted by jaden101
you're right...they like the darkness...both shit music...and shit people...in a single...band...oh...you like them dont you...point made

Hahaha, besides The Darkness being excellent. You pick them out because I like them, as if it's gonna upset me or something. I was gonna leave it at this, but you've made a great point:

They like The Darkness.............now. They do, they love The Darkness now. They are so far up their arses now. Long time different story than when they first got on the scene though. Infact, they went from making fun of them, to begging them to grace their mag, to getting snubbed and dissed by Justin (deservedly so). Now they're interviewing Frankie Poullain (ex-bassist) and acting as if his side of the story is fact purely because they couldn't get the other members of The Darkness. Hahaha, idiots.

Originally posted by jaden101
they sure were...especially when they said that the darkness and radiohead were shit...pity they changed their minds

When I said NME were right there, I meant in terms of location. With everyone else who decided to now become NIN fans. But the other half of NME offices were interviewing a drunk man at Glastonbury who said "PJ Harvey said she's quitting!". Not too long after, it was all over NME.Com, the mag and the newsletter (according to someone I speak to).

Now you are admitting the NME changed their minds, but won't admit that me saying they do, is right. They're mugs.

Oh, and you didn't need to invalidate your opinion more by saying Radiohead are shit. I do hope you realise that anything you say now, about any band, is worth nothing.

Originally posted by jaden101
i guess they just made the mistake of telling them in the interview as opposed to doing the interview...then slagging the bands...as per kerrang...the journalistic equivalent of talking to someone behind their back

Like when NME got in Frankie Poullain to diss The Darkness while praising them through the other side of their mouths?

Morat, Kerrang reviewer, did an interview with Zakk Wylde and started more or less dissing the man. Not trying to be purposefully offensive, but because he held a certain opinion. NME get heckled by Maximo Park.

Originally posted by jaden101
you going to be replying again?...let me use my mystic meg powers...a man with no taste in music and who is unable to string a coherent argument will make a post very soon...the letters A and C will be involved it toooOOOoooo

Jaden, I say this with no bias etc. But for someone who just spent a post talking bullshit, including telling me how Ryan Adams is more talented than Mike Patton, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Tool and Rush, I'd seriously suggest you don't call my taste, bad.

-AC

Oh...Shutit!

Infact, out of respect for your thread, I'll PM him the reply to his next post.

Or if he reads this first. He can reply to my above post, in PM.

-AC

Thankyou very much lol. But to be honest your debate/war is the only thing keeping the thread going.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Thankyou very much lol. But to be honest your debate/war is the only thing keeping the thread going.

its been fun though...beats the ass out of reading most of the drivel in other threads