Let's settle this thread.The Spectre at full power failed to destroy the AntiMonitor.
True.
Darkseid did it by himself.
So false. Where did you get this? Pushing a button and using assistance is different from "doing it by himself."
Now - is Rune King Thor more powerful than Spectre?
No. Neither is Darkseid.
If he is... he'd stand a chance.If not, then he doesn't....
Mute point. Both aren't on full powered Spectre's level. As for Darkseid surving Spectre trying to kill him, it was because he was essential to the universe, not because he was more powerful or on Spectre's power level.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Let's settle this thread.The Spectre at full power failed to destroy the AntiMonitor.
Darkseid did it by himself.
Now - is Rune King Thor more powerful than Spectre?
If he is... he'd stand a chance.
If not, then he doesn't....
While i think Pre C Ds will win this match for you to say he destroyed AM singlehandedly is a very bad recollection or misinterpretation.
He contributed to AM's downfall nothing more.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelianSpectre didn't fail to destroy him, he didn't TRY to. If you actually READ what is going on in the fight with Anti-Monitor and Spectre, it was said that IF Spectre DID destroy the Anti-Monitor, he would kill everyone the Anti-Monitor was drawing energy from.. [pretty much all the heros of the various Earths.] so it really wasn't an option.. but you'll notice none of them DOUBT the Spectre's ability to do so. Instead, Spectre shattered and recreated the universe, and banished the Anti-Monitor back to the Antimatter realm, where the final confontations were staged.
Here he mentions that his science lets him see through Alex Luthor's eyes.Tell me that you think that a machine is more powerful than the Spectre.... 🙄
It was Darkseid's own power fired through the eyes of Luthor.
Don't worry though, this is a common misinterpretation.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
He destroyed AntiMonitor's physical body when all else failed too.All that was left afterwards was residual energy, that Superman2 smack into nothingness. 🙂
He's pushing a button. The fight is Rune King Thor vs. Pre-Crisis Darkseid, not Rune King Thor vs. Pre-Crisis Darkseid + a button/Apokolips tech.
ZephroCarnelian Here he mentions that his science lets him see through Alex Luthor's eyes.
Yes. He can see into the anti-matter universe because of Alex. He didn't even mention it came directly from him. He pushed a button. Where in that did he do it himself?
Tell me that you think that a machine is more powerful than the Spectre....
Hmm? Let me think about this... He pushed a button did he not? And it got the job done did it not? And nowhere do we see or here that he directly attacked Anti-Monitor. All speculations.
- Korvac, a machine, got ahold of Galactus' World Ship and became so powerful than LT couldn't beat him, rather closed off his universe
- Secondly, Cyborg Superman controlled a part of the Source Wall
- Doom steals powers from Watcher up to Galactus just using "machines"
- And lastly, Darkseid used Apokolips tech to destroy Anti-Monitor
It was Darkseid's own power fired through the eyes of Luthor.
It was Darkseid + Apokolips Tech + Alex Luthor.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
He destroyed AntiMonitor's physical body when all else failed too.All that was left afterwards was residual energy, that Superman2 smack into nothingness. 🙂
But youre still failing to acknowledge the battles AM had had prior to DS's attack. Youre saying he singlehandled defeated AM. Thats incorrect and you've contradicted yourself by now saying he destroyed AM's armour leaving the Supermen to finish the job.
He contributed thats all.
He does however imo win this match.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But youre still failing to acknowledge the battles AM had had prior to DS's attack. Youre saying he singlehandled defeated AM. Thats incorrect and you've contradicted yourself by now saying he destroyed AM's armour leaving the Supermen to finish the job.He contributed thats all.
He does however imo win this match.
No, I see how you think I said that though, lol.
I said that Spectre defeated AM with the help of all the power of the DCU's magic. Darkseid did it without said help. 🙂 Not that Darkseid beat him one on one.
Flash managed to injure AM by destroying the machine. All AM's troops were turned on him by PsychoPirate and Supergirl got some good shots in too.
But even after all that and after Dr Light stole some of his own power and threw it back at him, he still recovered and was still about to defeat our heroes.
Only Darkseid dealt lasting damage to his physical body.
And then Superman dealt the final blow to his pure energy form! 😄
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Whether it was DS himself or his Apok machinery that emited the energy blast is debatable. He only mentions that the machinery lets him see through Luthor's eyes. never mentions that it can defat the AM.
I personally believe it was DS's own power that did the job. But regardless, at least we agree on one thing:
Darkseid is a BADASS!!! 😆
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelianAnti-Monitor was likewise powered up for the fight with Spectre, by entire universes, and the entire army of heros and villains. And had his whole plan thrown back in his face for trying. It's pretty undeniable that his battle with Spectre was his high moment in power.
But you have to admit...Considering all he was doing was fighting against AntiMonitor's power... and you consider the fact that all of DC's magic users were giving Spectre their power.... it start took a lot for him to win, lol.
Whereas Darkseid got it all over and done with in one instant. 🙂
Darkseid does win this battle though.
I'm just commenting on that original "He did what Spectre couldn't" remark, when it was clear in the comic that wasn't the case. He was saving lives and protecting the multiverse.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
No, I see how you think I said that though, lol.[QUOTE=5450688]Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
[B]Let's settle this thread.The Spectre at full power failed to destroy the AntiMonitor.
Darkseid did it by himself.
Yep. I do to.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
I said that Spectre defeated AM with the help of all the power of the DCU's magic. Darkseid did it without said help. 🙂 Not that Darkseid beat him one on one.Flash managed to injure AM by destroying the machine. All AM's troops were turned on him by PsychoPirate and Supergirl got some good shots in too.
So with all this you now realise your previous statement was incorrect. Cool. You've now clarified what you meant even if you didnt say it initially.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
But even after all that and after Dr Light stole some of his own power and threw it back at him, he still recovered and was still about to defeat our heroes.
Never recovered to the physical condition he was in prior to his battle with Spectre and his later battle with the heroes. After all of that he got up again and DS managed to destroy his physical armour. A feat all accounts indicate he wouldnt have been able to do if AM was at the height of his power and hadnt been through the various battles he had before DS's assault.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Only Darkseid dealt lasting damage to his physical body.
Which he could only do thanks to the previous efforts of the heroes.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
And then Superman dealt the final blow to his pure energy form! 😄
Uh huh.
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Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Whether it was DS himself or his Apok machinery that emited the energy blast is debatable. He only mentions that the machinery lets him see through Luthor's eyes. never mentions that it can defat the AM.I personally believe it was DS's own power that did the job. But regardless, at least we agree on one thing:
Darkseid is a BADASS!!! 😆
I have no issue with it being DS's personal power i just wanted to clarify that his was only a contribution, that was as effective as it was, thanks to the efforts of the heroes before him.
Agreed DS is badass. 😄