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I don't expect anyone with a working brain to vote Neo. Yoda's Force exists outside of the Matrix. Technically, it existed BEFORE if you tried to sandwich them into the same reality. The Matrix takes place in the near future; Star Wars takes place "Long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away." Thus by haphazard logic the Force predates the Matrix and thus exists outside of it. Yoda pulls Neo's plug, KO.
I agree with you on some parts Ianus, but do remember that even though the force lives in the real world, Yoda can't move an object he can't see or is close to. Like he can't help Obi-Wan and Anakin during their fight against Dooku with the force because he doesent know what happens. He will not know what Neo is doing in that chair nor would he think about pulling the plug. And I doubt he can inside the matrix and so far away from that place. Tell me if I'm wrong. 🙂
Well, the problem therein is that Neo is strapped to a chair. He's more or less nonforce sensitive. Yoda is a jedi master, capable of being able to detect things in the Force via meditation. I mean, this isn't like Sidious or Dooku who both know techniques to actively cloak themselves... this is some jobber sitting in a chair with a plug in his head. The thread never says that Yoda has to be plugged in, either.
I mean, you could argue that Neo can beat anyone in the Matrix, since he has an unnatural advantage in that area. He's literally hardwired to interface with it better than anyone, if I recall corrrectly. But in the real world, where Yoda's power is, he would die horribly.
Is this Neo in the real world??? Then he will get owned. If it's Neo with his powers he will have a good chance of winning. I'm confused. 😕
Or mabey he still has a chance in the real world. He can blow up those robots by rasing his hand, even hundreds of them coming in his direction. Think he can blow Yoda??
Originally posted by kamikz
Is this Neo in the real world??? Then he will get owned. If it's Neo with his powers he will have a good chance of winning. I'm confused. 😕Or mabey he still has a chance in the real world. He can blow up those robots by rasing his hand, even hundreds of them coming in his direction. Think he can blow Yoda??
Uh, it's pretty easy. The Force gives Yoda amazing abilities.
Neo could simply affect robots and programs connected to the Matrix, even in the real world. at most he could do an EMP attack. That isn't gonna stop Yoda. Evidence wise, Neo's abilities are more or less exclusive to the Matrix and to its agents. Yoda's Force, however, exists around and in all living things. It has no such restrictions, and Yoda would kick his ass. Period.
I don't see the point of this debate.
In the "real" world, Yoda would destroy Neo.
Inside the Matrix Neo's powers are still very limited. He can't influence other people "directly" with his powers (throw them around and throw stuff on them...things like that) - Yoda can. Next thing is that there isn't any weapon inside the Matrix that can stop a lightsaber and as we have seen in "Matrix: Reloaded" Neo can be hurt with normal weapons and a lightsaber will cut him down.
So how the hell Neo should be able to win this since he has no defence against Yoda's force powers and Yoda's lightsaber ?
In the Matrix, Neo would probably be able to blow Yoda's lightsaber up by rasing his hand. Neo can also jump into peoples bodys and blow them up from the inside. He can fly damn fast and would take alot of hits before going down. I'm not a Neo fanboy, not a chance in hell. I just don't think your giving him the credit he deserves.
Well I don't belive Yoda could unplugg him, have we ever seen Yoda lift something that is so far away from him than we can't see it, not really. I doubt he could just sit down, concentrate, feel Neo sitting in that chair and unplugg it. Neo will also be fighting him at the same time.
Bullets move alot faster than the laser in star wars and can't be deflected back at the opponent. Neo can also fly at a very high speed making it very hard for Yoda too hit him.
Neo's seeing ability reminds me alot about flies, they see everything in slow-mo making them able to dodge a human trying to kill them, Neo is exactly the same way. That way he will have a less harder time hitting him while flying in the air and shooting at him and have an easier time dodging Yodas attacks.
Neo can still interact with other things like staffs, swords, and draw them towards him or blow them up. Could he not blow Yoda's lightsaber up?
Well I don't belive Yoda could unplugg him, have we ever seen Yoda lift something that is so far away from him than we can't see it, not really. I doubt he could just sit down, concentrate, feel Neo sitting in that chair and unplugg it. Neo will also be fighting him at the same time.
Yoda could keep up with Neo in the Matrix. Why? He's used to fighting that fast. The Matrix interprets your movements and actions inside the program based on your neural output. Yoda is wise, smart, and like I said, used to moving very fast. He would be able to hang with Neo in melee combat. Technically Morpheus hung with Neo in melee combat for quite some time, and he is a normal human being.
So you're saying there's no way he couldn't unplug Neo? At all? Yoda felt the slaying of the jedi across star systems. I bet if he was trying he could find Neo's inert body, especially since Neo would be easy to detect in the Force given his unusual (Or unnatural) nature. And saying he has to see it is ridiculous... Yoda wasn't even looking when he lifted the X-Wing.
Bullets move alot faster than the laser in star wars and can't be deflected back at the opponent. Neo can also fly at a very high speed making it very hard for Yoda too hit him.
Bullets would be enveloped in the lightsaber's blade and disappear. And Neo can't fight at that speed. It's a mode of transportation.
Neo's seeing ability reminds me alot about flies, they see everything in slow-mo making them able to dodge a human trying to kill them, Neo is exactly the same way. That way he will have a less harder time hitting him while flying in the air and shooting at him and have an easier time dodging Yodas attacks.
And by the same measure Yoda senses things through the Force and is used to moving at breakneck speeds. I don't see the definate advantage.
Neo can still interact with other things like staffs, swords, and draw them towards him or blow them up. Could he not blow Yoda's lightsaber up?
Watch Matrix: Reloaded. See him fight those normal humans? See him fight those programs? Yoda could pwn the hell out of those guys. He isn't a melee god.
Originally posted by Ianus
[Yoda could keep up with Neo in the Matrix. Why? He's used to fighting that fast. The Matrix interprets your movements and actions inside the program based on your neural output. Yoda is wise, smart, and like I said, used to moving very fast. He would be able to hang with Neo in melee combat. Technically Morpheus hung with Neo in melee combat for quite some time, and he is a normal human being.
Morpheus hung with Neo because at that point he had trained for 10 hourse. This is by the time or Revolutions if I recall. Also note that Neo grows a little everytime the story progresses, as he for example does in the end fighting with Smith.
So you're saying there's no way he couldn't unplug Neo? At all? Yoda felt the slaying of the jedi across star systems. I bet if he was trying he could find Neo's inert body, especially since Neo would be easy to detect in the Force given his unusual (Or unnatural) nature. And saying he has to see it is ridiculous... Yoda wasn't even looking when he lifted the X-Wing.
Yes Yoda felt all the deaths but he couldent do anything about it. I guess that is for two reasons.
1. He doesent know where they are or who are doing it to them.
2. He couldent because they we're to far away. I'm not saying that if he closes his eyes he can't do a shit, just that he can't be too far away from the target to effect it. If he could he would just concentrate and send Sidious desk in his head then jump into his office and slice him.Bullets would be enveloped in the lightsaber's blade and disappear. And Neo can't fight at that speed. It's a mode of transportation.
He fought Smith while flying.
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And by the same measure Yoda senses things through the Force and is used to moving at breakneck speeds. I don't see the definate advantage.
Ok, here Yoda is probably at the same level cause he can forsee the future and all that stuff. But really, forseeing the future isent as effective in a fight. Let's say Spiderman and Pshyco Mantis (from Metal Gear Solid) fought eachother. Spiderman reacts on instincts, he feels when danger is near and can avoid it, similar to Neo. Pshyco knows where they are going to shoot but can still be hit when it comes in too fast. Just because he knows where he's going to shoot doesent mean he's fast enough to block it, same goes for bullets with Yoda.
Watch Matrix: Reloaded. See him fight those normal humans? See him fight those programs? Yoda could pwn the hell out of those guys. He isn't a melee god. [/B]
He aint trying his hardest against the humans, watch him before the fight, he puts his hand behind his back and waits for them to attack him, it's in the end, when he starts to bleed from when parrying the sword that makes him attack. And these are not normal humans, (at least not if your talking about the Megrovinians guards, those are the only normal persons I recall him fighting). They can jump incredibly incredible high and can take hits with sharp knifes without dying. Neo hits a person three times in the head, still that doesent kill him.
You have convinced me though that Yoda will surely be able to stand up or beat Neo. Great Job. 🙂
Edit: ops some quotes got totally wrong, hope you can read it anyway.