Originally posted by Zoom
Why on Earth do the younger generation think that Daniel Craig is a good actor and a great Bond? The guy is quite possibly the worst actor I have ever had the misfortune of seeing.
Just because there is a lot of action in his two outings does not mean that they are good films. In fact they are atrocious as is he.
Kinda like you have the younger generation like you cant get it that Brosnan is the worst Bond actor. 😆
[QUOTE=12847302]Originally posted by Hatchet
[B]First of all, the fact that you cannot see that Moore had a great emotional scene in TSWLM shows that you do not know what you are talking about.
thats the ONLY thing you have said since you have come on here that has any truth to it.Thats one of the reasons Moore and Connery are the only two REAL Bonds with all the others being wanna be pretenders. 😘
Originally posted by HatchetI never denied Moore's scene. Its tiny compared to Craig's multiple scenes. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
First of all, the fact that you cannot see that Moore had a great emotional scene in TSWLM shows that you do not know what you are talking about.
Second, Daniel Craig's films may have more dramatic moments but they fail because he cannot play them out. The action just papers over the cracks in the films.
Originally posted by ZoomI dislike the Bourne films. You want to compare the writing of the Craig films to Brosnan and Moore's films? The acting is existent. Wright is the best Leiter by far in the series, both Bond girls have been solid, as is Dench as M, the villains, and Mathis.
Oh dear we have another Bourne fan who has stumbled his way upon the Bond franchise. CR and QOS are dreadful films. The writing is pathetic as is the direction, and the acting is non existent.
With any luck now that the franchise has been halted they will realize that they made a mistake and quickly find a replacement for Craig.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I never denied Moore's scene. Its tiny compared to Craig's multiple scenes. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.I dislike the Bourne films. You want to compare the writing of the Craig films to Brosnan and Moore's films? The acting is existent. Wright is the best Leiter by far in the series, both Bond girls have been solid, as is Dench as M, the villains, and Mathis.
I do want to compare the writing of those films to these ones because they were better. Wright is a very poor Leiter and Giancarlo Giannini (Mathis) lays the same character in every film he has ever been in and he does it badly. Judi Dench is the only one who comes out of these films with any credibility. The Bond girls have been absolutely terrible
Saying Eva Green is terrible.......facepalm She's easily a top 5 Bond girl at the least.
I wouldn't know if Giannini plays the same character because I've only seen him in one other film; Hannibal. I found nothing wrong with him and, again, who are some better allies(besides the girl, M, Q, Moneypenny or Leiter) in the series?
Jeffrey Wright is hands down the best Leiter.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Saying Eva Green is terrible.......facepalm She's easily a top 5 Bond girl at the least.I wouldn't know if Giannini plays the same character because I've only seen him in one other film; Hannibal. I found nothing wrong with him and, again, who are some better allies(besides the girl, M, Q, Moneypenny or Leiter) in the series?
Jeffrey Wright is hands down the best Leiter.
Eva Green does not come close to the top five Bond girls. I can only assume you were high when you wrote that.
Jeffrey Wright is a poor actor and a poor Leiter. He brings nothing to the films.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Your top 5 are?Wright is far from a poor actor and brings the best performance of Leiter to date(and it's really not that close).
1. Honor Blackman
2. Daniela Bianchi
3. Diana Rigg
4. Jane Seymour
5. Famke Janssen
Jeffrey Wright is never going to be remembered as a good Leiter. Most people don't even notice him. That is how bad he is.
1.Vesper Lynd
2.Fiona Volpe
3.Tracy di Vicenzo
4.Tatiana Romanova
5.Pussy Galore
Shout outs to Jill Masterson, Sylvia Trench, Strawberry Fields, Solange Dimitrios, and Magda.
Oh, really?
http://debrief.commanderbond.net/index.php?showtopic=45942&hl=Leiter
Originally posted by Darth Martin
1.Vesper Lynd
2.Fiona Volpe
3.Tracy di Vicenzo
4.Tatiana Romanova
5.Pussy GaloreShout outs to Jill Masterson, Sylvia Trench, Strawberry Fields, Solange Dimitrios, and Magda.
Oh, really?
http://debrief.commanderbond.net/index.php?showtopic=45942&hl=Leiter
2 to 5 are good choices. The one you have chosen as your number one is just ridiculous.
That link proves nothing and your attempt at using it is rather desperate.
The one I have chosen as my number one choice had the second most important role of all of the Bond girls in the series, literally owned Bond, had a genuine romantic relationship with Bond, and plays a pivotal role than most any other Bond girl in the series. Instead of having her become an action figure, she was depicted as intelligent and played a key role in the film.
That link proves that you are wrong in stating "Jeffrey Wright is a poor actor and a poor Leiter. He brings nothing to the films." and "Jeffrey Wright is never going to be remembered as a good Leiter. Most people don't even notice him."
Desperate? I've atleast provided a source for which Bond fans congregate and discuss such matters. Most of them seem to think different from you.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
The one I have chosen as my number one choice had the second most important role of all of the Bond girls in the series, literally owned Bond, had a genuine romantic relationship with Bond, and plays a pivotal role than most any other Bond girl in the series. Instead of having here become an action figure she was depicted as intelligent and played a key role in the film.That link proves that you are wrong in stating "Jeffrey Wright is a poor actor and a poor Leiter. He brings nothing to the films." and "Jeffrey Wright is never going to be remembered as a good Leiter. Most people don't even notice him."
Desperate? I've atleast provided a source for which Bond fans congregate and discuss such matters. Most of them seem to think different from you.
First of all the link proves that there is a small collection of fans who like Wright. If you were to tear yourself away from the internet once in a while you would find that in most Bond magazines he is slated.
She would be important if she had played the role well and the movie had been any good. Also she has no bearing on the films of Connery and co as it is a different franchise according to the makers.
Bond magazines? Enlighten me. Small collection? He led the poll as the best. That doesn't include all of the other fans who didn't consider him the best, but didn't consider him "poor" as you do.
So I guess the "real" Bond fans consider Casino Royale a bad film. 🙄
Different franchise? I don't think so. It may have been a reboot but it contains the same actress as M from the Brosnan entries as well as the same producers, director, and musical composer.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Bond magazines? Enlighten me. Small collection? He led the poll as the best. That doesn't include all of the other fans who didn't consider him the best, but didn't consider him "poor" as you do.So I guess the "real" Bond fans consider Casino Royale a bad film. 🙄
Different franchise? I don't think so. It may have been a reboot but it contains the same actress as M from the Brosnan entries as well as the same producers, director, and musical composer.
Seriously child do you know anything about Bond? It was clearly stated that these new films were to be a different franchise to run alongside the other. This is pretty standard stuff for a fan to know.
Again, your little forum link is not proof. Check out the Bond magazines for clarification.
"Child", "too young" I see that you keep bringing up my age.
Originally posted by Zoom
That proves nothing and your attempt at using it is rather desperate.
Originally posted by ZoomIt's a source. I've yet to see yours.
Again, your little forum link is not proof.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Bond magazines? Enlighten me.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Go and find an official 007 magazine? Thanks but I'll pass.Defeat at what? It's pretty clear we're not going to shake the others opinion. We are both Bond fans, apparently just with different tastes.
If you do not look for an official magazine you will continue to live in ignorance.