Wolverine's villains Vs Spidermans

Originally posted by jinzin
twister get your ass over here! I want some damned clarification...

sorry x but your definitions thus far have not been thought up well enough to be able to exclude hulk without hipocracy....

and.....

technically 8888 isn't wrong about that... 😕

Wolverine has won against Hulk the majority out of 18 fights...? K....

Originally posted by Creshosk
All of the 'the' stuff. rather than 'a'. . .

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Explain. The only thing my definition could define Hulk as is the hero to Wolverine's rogue, and even then aside from the first encounter that's hardly the case.

Wolverine has won against Hulk the majority out of 18 fights...? K....
😬....seriously.... that's it? That's your big complaint, the articles of my nouns? Oh and to clarify I mean multiple articles of multiple nouns, and I don't really mean I own those nouns personally, oh and in this sentence....

That's the tricky ***** about it isn't it? Defining it isn such a way as to intentionally exclude the ones you don't think should be but keeping the ones that obviously are?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Due to the evolution clause to allow kingpin for DD, you've still allowed Hulk for Wolverine.

That's the tricky ***** about it isn't it? Defining it isn such a way as to intentionally exclude the ones you don't think should be but keeping the ones that obviously are?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't give a rats ass about DD, but it's true some rogue's do migrate over time. Putting aside that for one thing Hulk is a "hero" in his own right, Hulk has evolved into a rogue for Wolverine, he's been altered in such a way - his characterization, viewpoints, history, personality, behaviour, intentions etc - such that he primarily antagonizes Wolverine?

and I love that primarily stuff too. cause is Kingpin DD or Spidey if they "primarily" antagnize one of them.

Once again indicating a character can only be the rogue for one character again. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like Venmom in his own right and his rogues including his spawn Carnage?

and I love that primarily stuff too. cause is Kingpin DD or Spidey if they "primarily" antagnize one of them.

Once again indicating a character can only be the rogue for one character again. . .

Misworded, can't be bothered editing. Primary antagonist i.e. specific antagonist. Shadow King, a primary antagonist of Xavier, a primary antagonist of Storm as made clear in his innovation and evolution specifically geared towards antagonising them in multiple machinations. Has Hulk been altered in the ways described to be a primary antagonist of Wolverine. Has his conceptual purpose been changed?

Do I have to really be so grammatically and verbally pedantic? Because I really can't be bothered.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Venom isn't a hero to me at least... I don't know what you define as hero. Hulk stars in his own ongoing series as the principle protagonist. Yet you proclaim he is a primary antagonist of Wolverine? That is his conceptual purpose, in design or as he has become?

Misworded, can't be bothered editing. Primary antagonist i.e. specific antagonist. Shadow King, a primary antagonist of Xavier, a primary antagonist of Storm as made clear in his innovation and evolution specifically geared towards antagonising them in multiple machinations. Has Hulk been altered in the ways described to be a primary antagonist of Wolverine. Has his conceptual purpose been changed?

Do I have to really be so grammatically and verbally pedantic? Because I really can't be bothered.

Did you know that Sabertooth was not created for Wolverine?

In Sabretooth's first appearances as an Iron Fist and Luke Cage villain, he was originally written as a serial murderer/assassin who was human and wore clawed gloves.

Own series?

Guess Sabertooth isn't a Wolverine rogue, and Venom isn't a Spiderman rogue.

Way to ignore/twist points... Sabretooth has evolved into a Wolverine rogue. Altered conceptual purpose. Irrelevant unless you think that this:

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you know that Sabertooth was not created for Wolverine?

In Sabretooth's first appearances as an Iron Fist and Luke Cage villain, he was originally written as a serial murderer/assassin who was human and wore clawed gloves.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Own series?

Guess Sabertooth isn't a Wolverine rogue, and Venom isn't a Spiderman rogue.

😆

You're reaching there.

Sabertooth had his own series, even if it was a mini.
Venom had a series even if it's not ongoing.

They were both the protagonists. So if being a protagonist excludes you from being someone's rogue, 😆

And again Saberetooth's conceptual purpose was not to be Wolveirne's rogue, even if the t ifs his purpose now the conceptual purpose doesn't change, since its the concept on which the character was made.

Venom is onlyt a villian when it comes to Spiderman, aside from that he's an anti-hero. hence the "lethal protector" riff.

And since Carnage was created to antagonize Venom I guess that makes carnage a venom rogue rather than a spiderman rogue. Since appearently their "main purpose" prevents them from being a rogue to multiple people. This also means that Kingpin is either currently with DD and thuus not spiderman, or Saberetooth is with Iron fist and luke cage and king pin is with spiderman.

Yeah great definition.

Originally posted by Creshosk
😆

You're reaching there.

Sabertooth had his own series, even if it was a mini.
Venom had a series even if it's not ongoing.

They were both the protagonists. So if being a protagonist excludes you from being someone's rogue, 😆

And again Saberetooth's conceptual purpose was not to be Wolveirne's rogue, even if the t ifs his purpose now the conceptual purpose doesn't change, since its the concept on which the character was made.

Conceptual purpose, role of character, intentions of dynamic design. The purpose of the character as they are today. Concepts are altered, as can be the intentions of the concepts. Again I feel no need to be incredibly verbally pedantic just because you like to twist words and argue semantics. I've made it clear what I think defines these. Why don't you share what you think?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Venom is onlyt a villian when it comes to Spiderman, aside from that he's an anti-hero. hence the "lethal protector" riff.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And since Carnage was created to antagonize Venom I guess that makes carnage a venom rogue rather than a spiderman rogue. Since appearently their "main purpose" prevents them from being a rogue to multiple people.

Originally posted by Creshosk
This also means that Kingpin is either currently with DD and thuus not spiderman, or Saberetooth is with Iron fist and luke cage and king pin is with spiderman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah great definition.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And you're reaching, if you're claiming that Hulk "having his own series" is all I said was what set him apart from Venom and Sabretooth. So you don't think there's a difference between a character having a regular ongoing series for decades and having a four part miniseries? Especially considering this has nothing to do with my definition, it's just a point you decided to pick up and run with.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Conceptual purpose, role of character, intentions of dynamic design. The purpose of the character as they are today. Concepts are altered, as can be the intentions of the concepts. Again I feel no need to be incredibly verbally pedantic just because you like to twist words and argue semantics. I've made it clear what I think defines these. Why don't you share what you think?/quote] I already did. "Concept" is precreation. Working functional purpose is a seperate thing.

[QUOTE=5475447]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh, yeh he's a peach.
Yeh, I said that too. Oh wait no I didn't. Wow, haven't I said the contrary multiple times. Oh, that's right I have. Is this because I used "the" instead of "a".... you know saying you're filibustering when you are isn't dodging....

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The conceptual purpose of Shadow King is to act as an antagonist for Storm individually, Xavier individually, and the X-Men, as illustrated by features aforementioned in my prior posts.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've yet to see anyone but you, criticize it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're only argument against it this page is my use of the word "primarily." Although trying to deride my definition is probably easier than answering my questions or providing an alternative definition.

Originally posted by Creshosk
what difference does it make how many books they had? An unsuccessful series would change who the character is any more or less than a successful one?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I already did. "Concept" is precreation. Working functional purpose is a seperate thing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Saying I'm filibustering so you can dodge a point because you can't counter it isn't very convincing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And Sabertooth's conceptual purpose was to be a villian for Iron fist and Luke cage. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ad populem argument? You know those don't just come in the form of polls, appealing to "public opinion" in any form is no less ad populem.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I have been answering your questions. Those that aren't leading at any rate. I don't have a solid definition.

If you're not going to even attempt to provide a definition then really, are you in a position to criticize things as trivial as wording and grammar. My "a"s and my "the"s? Don't answer that. It could be a leading question.

If I pose a question in a thread, do you really think I'm trying to trap you or trick you with a leading question, as you clearly try to do, and are trying to do to me, or hey, ya think maybe I'm just asking a question? Oh wait.... don't answer that...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1) Side point irrelevant to the definition I've put forward. 2) Venom's series have sufficiently changed him to alter his conceptual purpose? Have any of Hulk's? Oh, wait don't answer that. It could be a leading question.

And no,it's not an irrealevent side point Nice dodge though.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Well first off
concept n.
A general idea derived or inferred from specific instances or occurrences.
The idea "Sabretooth" being the dynamic concept. The purpose in that concept being the conceptual purpose.
Second the quote = i.e. You don't like the wording of what I've titled something so you're going to argue against it, even though I've made it abundantly clear what the idea imo of "conceptual purpose" is. Making this self-righteous indignation:
somewhat amusing. Someone who proclaims himself to argue for the sake of argument, denies he is filibustering in a thread? Do you think Venom is a hero? Simple question isn't it? Oh, wait don't answer those. They could be leading questions.

You're sounding quite bitter. Why is that?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sabretooth's conceptual purpose has shifted, in my opinion. Do you still consider the above to be the current purpose of the concept of "Sabretooth" as he is today? Oh wait, don't answer that. It could be a leading question.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not appealing to anything.

"You're the only one"

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It was an off-the-cuff comment about you arguing for the sake of arguing. Care to provide an alternative? Oh, don't answer that. It could be a leading question.

😆

wow you are REALLY bitter. 🙄

"Don't answer that! Don't answer that!"

What a whiner.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You really haven't answered any posed towards you for the most part.

To me "concept" is precreation. like "concept art" or "concept sketches" are unused ideas that show a progress of how a character chame to be.

And I already told you Venom is an anti-hero. Like Wolverine is an anti-hero.

Serioulsly, I akready answered your questions. PRetty straight foreward on the venom qurestion. But if you're going to be a bitter litle whiner and pull what C-master does with his "You don't answer questions the way I want you to with an answer I already have intended for you to answer, so I'm going to say you didn't answer at all." Bullshit, then I'm quite flattered that you think I'm such a threat that you have to resort to discrediting me to get me out of the way. Since I seem to be the only obsticle to you one0sided hypocritical definitions.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So is every question posed towards you a leading question? Wait, don't answer that. It could be a leading question.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If I pose a question in a thread, do you really think I'm trying to trap you or trick you with a leading question, as you clearly try to do, and are trying to do to me, or hey, ya think maybe I'm just asking a question? Oh wait.... don't answer that...

Even the Venom question. Proving that even your simple stragightforeward questions are actually leading because you want me to answer in a specific way, and if I don't.

"You didn't answer any of my questions!"

Thank you for making it so abundently clear with all the "Oh wait don't answer that whining, and especially that last paragraph.

Originally posted by Creshosk
To me "concept" is precreation. like "concept art" or "concept sketches" are unused ideas that show a progress of how a character chame to be.

I somewhat sarcastically (and jokingly) put that line at the end of my paragraphs of what was to me at least an okay discussion/debate. You go off on a tirade. Okay...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Getting desperate much?
Nice dodge though.
You're sounding quite bitter. Why is that?
😆
wow you are REALLY bitter. 🙄
"Don't answer that! Don't answer that!"
What a whiner.
But if you're going to be a bitter litle whiner and pull what C-master does with his "You don't answer questions the way I want you to with an answer I already have intended for you to answer, so I'm going to say you didn't answer at all." Bullshit, then I'm quite flattered that you think I'm such a threat that you have to resort to discrediting me to get me out of the way. Since I seem to be the only obsticle to you one0sided hypocritical definitions.
Ansd you continue to be a whiny little bitter crybaby, cute.
Thank you for making it so abundently clear with all the "Oh wait don't answer that whining, and especially that last paragraph.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And I put forward an alternative definition of the word concept under which I am operating. Perhaps you lost it in your diatribe. Do you hold a monopoly over the usage of the English language?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I somewhat sarcastically (and jokingly) put that line at the end of my paragraphs of what was to me at least an okay discussion/debate. You go off on a tirade. Okay...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm... I don't feel desperate or bitter. If I was "desperate" or "bitter" I probably would have behaved like you just have. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Like I just did?

Because I'm the one who was whining about people not answering their questions. . Oh wait . . .

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And I put forward an alternative definition of the word concept under which I am operating. Perhaps you lost it in your diatribe. Do you hold a monopoly over the usage of the English language?

I somewhat sarcastically (and jokingly) put that line at the end of my paragraphs of what was to me at least an okay discussion/debate. You go off on a tirade. Okay...
Hmm... I don't feel desperate or bitter. If I was "desperate" or "bitter" I probably would have behaved like you just have. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Don't answer that...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Do you?

On Venom, you first said he was a villain for Spider-Man and an anti-hero for everyone else. Which actually fits fine with my definition of rogue and of conceptual purpose. When Hulk and Wolverine fight, who is the villain and who is the hero? And what of either has delineated that one or the other as they are today has the conceptual purpose of being one or the other's rogue.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes because ranting about people not answering questions is obviously joking.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Of course not, you think anyone would admit they were bitter? Of course not. But actions speak louder than words.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like I just did?
Because I'm the one who was whining about people not answering their questions. . Oh wait . . .

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How are you doing x?

Don't answer that...

Doing alright. Should be doing work.... but can't bring myself to.

Spiderman's villains win.

why?

Originally posted by wolverine8888
why?

Because there's more of them and alot of them are more powerful than Wolverine's rogues.