Originally posted by leonheartmm
ughhhh, isee everyone's caught gs's essay writing syndrome where they cant seem to be able to get a point through, {and yes gs, every thread u post in does seem to be to save pheonix's ass or bash a pheonix hater}just like "some"{cough GS} people on these forums, people in these threads have started to take any and every wanda feat at face value and interpret it in the highest possible way. wanda is nowhere near that powerful in reality. affecting the multiverse stuff she did is what PIS is all about, lets think about it for a second shall we. wanda is a mutant, a very powerful one, but not quiyte on par with the likes of hyperstorm, nate, cable and franklin. suddenly writers think up of ways in which she can affect the multiverse{or OMNIVERSE!} u know damn well that sumthing is incosistant/wrong here. odin, who is only a skyfather SHOOK the whole multiverse with a single punch once. now think about it, how many sky fathers are there, and how many beings ABOVE skyfathers there are in EVERY universe, are all of them potential universal affectors/destroyers?! hell if that was te case then LT would have quite a job on his hands wont he? u have to look at the AVERAGE power level that the writer gae to a character, and many factors that come into play like art, style, cannon/non cannon, low level feats of a character that contradict such power and most of all, PIS or even more what the writer/artist was trying to SHOW in those feats of the character and whether it was just a fanatic writer or whether the character was not supposed to be taken as above abstracts{the same idea in the second last pheonix retcon, dr strange, some silver surfer and x men/fantastic four comics{i.e. invisible woman single handedly killing a celestial} what ive seen is that most people just bring up the low end feats of the opposotion and high end feats of their characters {manipulated mostly in favour of their character} and wont listen to anythin else. this is not really the way to go.
now for this matcheup there are two very probable oputcomes depoending on the writer. 1st : wanda goes up against one celestial and gets her ass SO sorely beaten down that it leaves a permanent mark and puts her in her place
2: the celestials think theyr supreme and try to attack her to show their superiority by killing her with a single raise of a finger, but suddenly wanda says some impressive one liners and kills a few and proves to them{rather menacingly} that the INHABITANTS of a UNIVERSE are nuthin compared to one who can destroy the entire MULTIVERSE{in bolds just like they do it in marvel and dc}both are very logical outcomes , if its an x men or house of m xomic the 2nd scenario is probably true, if its a cosmic one like silver surfer/dr stange or sumthin than the first one is probably whats gonna happen, {see too much inconsisntency} and thas that.
{oh btw, ALL of franklins feats are FAR above what any celestial/ abstract has been shown to be able to do}
The idea of taking averages is a wise one, but you also have to take into account powerups. You CAN'T use Wanda's averages when she's been specifically powered up - you have to reset the bar and use the new measurements for averages. That means any Wanda feats from Disassembled on become the new averages for current Wanda.
It has nothing to do with PIS.