OK, Burton is a moron when it comes to Batman...

Originally posted by Silverstein
The Village was one of the worst movies of its year. But my mom likes it, she says she likes the colours of the autumn leaves shown in the movie. 🙄

LOL!

im trying to imply that, just because a movie makes a lot of money, doesnt necessarilly mean its a good movie. If some people here on kmc do not like the spiderman movies, you can bet your butt there will be others too. Raimi's film(s) cannot pleased everyone ya know. [/B]

I know that.

What I am saying is that The Village hasn't made anywhere near the kind of money the Spidey movies have, nor has it got anywhere near the amount of positive fan and critic reviews that the Spidey movies have.

There's a difference.

Originally posted by Silverstein
The Village was one of the worst movies of its year. But my mom likes it, she says she likes the colours of the autumn leaves shown in the movie. 🙄

im trying to imply that, just because a movie makes a lot of money, doesnt necessarilly mean its a good movie. If some people here on kmc do not like the spiderman movies, you can bet your butt there will be others too. Raimi's film(s) cannot pleased everyone ya know.

The villiage isnt really a good example to use if the first two batman movies and the spiderman films were good movies or not though.A better example to use is the star wars phantom menace movie.Is is one of the top 10 money makers of all time but most the fans dont like it and like the batman and spiderman films,they only got 3 stars most everywhere.Not like where superman the movie got 4 stars,so to critics,it must not have a masterpiece to them like the origianl superman movie was.If you want to go by what critics say-which I never do.The first two batman films and the spiderman films,the wrath is there that the fans dont like them.you go to IMDB and the wrath for those movies is intense.you can tell from places like that and the people you talk with on the streets such as that John G guy does,that I mentioned in my last post,that the fan base is split down the middle on the films.Its not like the first two xmen films,where the majority of the xmen fans have embraced the movies.

Originally posted by Doc Ock
What I am saying is that The Village hasn't made anywhere near the kind of money the Spidey movies have, nor has it got anywhere near the amount of positive fan and critic reviews that the Spidey movies have.

There's a difference.

and what im trying to say is, with the proper advertising and false leads/disinformation, you can lure many many people into going to see a movie. They portrayed The Village as a horror only to be a romance. A romance...apparently "Like all stories, this one is all about a girl..." 🙄

Despite bad reviews and a rapidly falling off box-office the film ended up performing modestly, just clearing its $71.6 million production cost and $40 million advertising campaign with a gross of $114 million USD domestically. It went on to collect another $140 million worldwide.

and yes mrparker. but the village was all i could think of at the time. Yeah a lot of people dont like EpI. and for more reasons than jar jar. Critics tend to bash any movie that comes out, whether it's good or not. They tend to give the movies with no replay value; a score of perfect...

Originally posted by Mr Parker
i myself am grateful that schumacher came along.he made a much better casting choice in val kilmer,he at least fit the role and at least had the right look.keaton as batman was as laughable as burt reynolds as boss hogg because he didnt even colse to fitting the role either.schumacher at least cared about making a good casting choice.burton did not care about pissing on the fans casting keaton,he only did so because he felt comfortable working with him.also i hate burton far worse than schumachers batman movies for turning him into a cowardly killer killing the joker was the ultimate sin fot that movie,I wanted to see batman die for that for betraying the comicbook.

harvey dent is so right,BURTON is such a moron when it comes to making batman movies.

I stand by this statement and everything else i said in this thread.

just HAD to bring back this thread.Harvey Dent when he was here,really knew what he was talking about and hit the nail right on the head with the titel of this thread.The title of this thread is accurate when descibing Burton and the way he royally messed up the batman movies.

THIS is the thread people should really start posting on to defend that idiot Tim Burton on the batman movies.

And so the battle continues... *sigh*

I will TRY to defend Burton, as I think he had an interesting idea for what Batman is and what Batman's world is... Once you get past the things you "purists" always ***** about (Keaton, killing, etc. etc.) it is a great movie that is entertaining, and that's what movies are all about...

First off, let's get the obvious arguments out of the way... Keaton was cast because he thought he could play a tortured, grim Batman and a serious Wayne, which for the most part (when he's with Alfred, alone, or in the costume) is true... The killing part, you do realize that in the 30s and in DKR, both are sources taken for the movie, Batman killed... Batman was losing to the big guy in the cathedral because 1. He had just crashed his plane, and I don't care who you are, you are gonna feel the effects... 2. The guy was bigger and had more punching/grappling power 3. From what I remember, the guy surprise attacked Batman 4. Batman was not exactly concentrating on fighting, as he was trying to rescue Vale... All these put together, it'd be really tough for someone, even a fighter, to keep control of the fight...

Also, Keaton trained for two months and studied kick boxing for the role from his stunt man, David Lea...

To you, he may be a "moron", but to non comic reading people around the world, he showed them what Batman is supposed to be, a dark, terrifying creature of the night... He almost completely deleted the stigma that came from Adam West Batman... His visions brought about BTAS and it's spin-offs...

Sure, it wasn't exact comic trueness, but then again, neither is Nolan's series, it takes just as many liberties (Ras is Bruce's trainer, for one), I think (though Begins was great and TDK will probably also be great) the "realism" of it kinda makes it less true, as Batman doesn't exactly live in a "realistic" world... (which makes it impossible for Bale to star in a Justice League movie, as it is too fantasy-based and would contradict the Batman he plays)

Anyways, I just think that they were good movies in their own right. The atmosphere was there, the car was there, the score was there, the classic scenes were there, and the dark roots of the character was ultimately there...

You may or may not agree, and you may think that I, too, am a moron, but whatever, because I grew up with Burton Batman, and I will continue to watch and enjoy Burton Batman, even if Nolan's is better in some respects... (origin was better, Gordan was better, etc. But Burton's Gotham was better, Burton's Batmobile was better, Elfman's score was better, etc.)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And so the battle continues... *sigh*

I will TRY to defend Burton, as I think he had an interesting idea for what Batman is and what Batman's world is... Once you get past the things you "purists" always ***** about (Keaton, killing, etc. etc.) it is a great movie that is entertaining, and that's what movies are all about...

First off, let's get the obvious arguments out of the way... Keaton was cast because he thought he could play a tortured, grim Batman and a serious Wayne, which for the most part (when he's with Alfred, alone, or in the costume) is true... The killing part, you do realize that in the 30s and in DKR, both are sources taken for the movie, Batman killed... Batman was losing to the big guy in the cathedral because 1. He had just crashed his plane, and I don't care who you are, you are gonna feel the effects... 2. The guy was bigger and had more punching/grappling power 3. From what I remember, the guy surprise attacked Batman 4. Batman was not exactly concentrating on fighting, as he was trying to rescue Vale... All these put together, it'd be really tough for someone, even a fighter, to keep control of the fight...

Also, Keaton trained for two months and studied kick boxing for the role from his stunt man, David Lea...

To you, he may be a "moron", but to non comic reading people around the world, he showed them what Batman is supposed to be, a dark, terrifying creature of the night... He almost completely deleted the stigma that came from Adam West Batman... His visions brought about BTAS and it's spin-offs...

Sure, it wasn't exact comic trueness, but then again, neither is Nolan's series, it takes just as many liberties (Ras is Bruce's trainer, for one), I think (though Begins was great and TDK will probably also be great) the "realism" of it kinda makes it less true, as Batman doesn't exactly live in a "realistic" world... (which makes it impossible for Bale to star in a Justice League movie, as it is too fantasy-based and would contradict the Batman he plays)

Anyways, I just think that they were good movies in their own right. The atmosphere was there, the car was there, the score was there, the classic scenes were there, and the dark roots of the character was ultimately there...

You may or may not agree, and you may think that I, too, am a moron, but whatever, because I grew up with Burton Batman, and I will continue to watch and enjoy Burton Batman, even if Nolan's is better in some respects... (origin was better, Gordan was better, etc. But Burton's Gotham was better, Burton's Batmobile was better, Elfman's score was better, etc.)

I agrre with a lot of what you're saying.

BatDude I loved your post!

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And so the battle continues... *sigh*

I will TRY to defend Burton, as I think he had an interesting idea for what Batman is and what Batman's world is... Once you get past the things you "purists" always ***** about (Keaton, killing, etc. etc.) it is a great movie that is entertaining, and that's what movies are all about...

First off, let's get the obvious arguments out of the way... Keaton was cast because he thought he could play a tortured, grim Batman and a serious Wayne, which for the most part (when he's with Alfred, alone, or in the costume) is true... The killing part, you do realize that in the 30s and in DKR, both are sources taken for the movie, Batman killed... Batman was losing to the big guy in the cathedral because 1. He had just crashed his plane, and I don't care who you are, you are gonna feel the effects... 2. The guy was bigger and had more punching/grappling power 3. From what I remember, the guy surprise attacked Batman 4. Batman was not exactly concentrating on fighting, as he was trying to rescue Vale... All these put together, it'd be really tough for someone, even a fighter, to keep control of the fight...

Also, Keaton trained for two months and studied kick boxing for the role from his stunt man, David Lea...

To you, he may be a "moron", but to non comic reading people around the world, he showed them what Batman is supposed to be, a dark, terrifying creature of the night... He almost completely deleted the stigma that came from Adam West Batman... His visions brought about BTAS and it's spin-offs...

Sure, it wasn't exact comic trueness, but then again, neither is Nolan's series, it takes just as many liberties (Ras is Bruce's trainer, for one), I think (though Begins was great and TDK will probably also be great) the "realism" of it kinda makes it less true, as Batman doesn't exactly live in a "realistic" world... (which makes it impossible for Bale to star in a Justice League movie, as it is too fantasy-based and would contradict the Batman he plays)

Anyways, I just think that they were good movies in their own right. The atmosphere was there, the car was there, the score was there, the classic scenes were there, and the dark roots of the character was ultimately there...

You may or may not agree, and you may think that I, too, am a moron, but whatever, because I grew up with Burton Batman, and I will continue to watch and enjoy Burton Batman, even if Nolan's is better in some respects... (origin was better, Gordan was better, etc. But Burton's Gotham was better, Burton's Batmobile was better, Elfman's score was better, etc.)

👆 100%

I agree with the thread starter that tim burton is a moron when it comes to Batman and this is coming from someone who is a big fan of Tim Burton and normally likes his movies. Burton casting michael keaton as batman proves that is an idiot when it comes to batman movies.He was the worst casting choice in comicbook history.

I don't like how alot of people are saying that this movie was boss because of all the money it made. I think that's complete bullshit. A large number at opening day doesn't always justify an awesome flick. Many went to see Spider-Man 3, and it was a huge let down, much like this film. I agree, for the focus that Burton wanted, it proved out alright, but he didn't capture the essence of Batman and Bruce Wayne. A director who specializes in Westerns could've done a better job at the Batman franchise. That's pretty much what Batman is. A city/town plagued with villains, and one sheriff.

Originally posted by ivebeendepped43
I agree with the thread starter that tim burton is a moron when it comes to Batman and this is coming from someone who is a big fan of Tim Burton and normally likes his movies. Burton casting michael keaton as batman proves that is an idiot when it comes to batman movies.He was the worst casting choice in comicbook history.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And so the battle continues... *sigh*

I will TRY to defend Burton, as I think he had an interesting idea for what Batman is and what Batman's world is... Once you get past the things you "purists" always ***** about (Keaton, killing, etc. etc.) it is a great movie that is entertaining, and that's what movies are all about...

First off, let's get the obvious arguments out of the way... Keaton was cast because he thought he could play a tortured, grim Batman and a serious Wayne, which for the most part (when he's with Alfred, alone, or in the costume) is true... The killing part, you do realize that in the 30s and in DKR, both are sources taken for the movie, Batman killed... Batman was losing to the big guy in the cathedral because 1. He had just crashed his plane, and I don't care who you are, you are gonna feel the effects... 2. The guy was bigger and had more punching/grappling power 3. From what I remember, the guy surprise attacked Batman 4. Batman was not exactly concentrating on fighting, as he was trying to rescue Vale... All these put together, it'd be really tough for someone, even a fighter, to keep control of the fight...

Also, Keaton trained for two months and studied kick boxing for the role from his stunt man, David Lea...

To you, he may be a "moron", but to non comic reading people around the world, he showed them what Batman is supposed to be, a dark, terrifying creature of the night... He almost completely deleted the stigma that came from Adam West Batman... His visions brought about BTAS and it's spin-offs...

Sure, it wasn't exact comic trueness, but then again, neither is Nolan's series, it takes just as many liberties (Ras is Bruce's trainer, for one), I think (though Begins was great and TDK will probably also be great) the "realism" of it kinda makes it less true, as Batman doesn't exactly live in a "realistic" world... (which makes it impossible for Bale to star in a Justice League movie, as it is too fantasy-based and would contradict the Batman he plays)

Anyways, I just think that they were good movies in their own right. The atmosphere was there, the car was there, the score was there, the classic scenes were there, and the dark roots of the character was ultimately there...

You may or may not agree, and you may think that I, too, am a moron, but whatever, because I grew up with Burton Batman, and I will continue to watch and enjoy Burton Batman, even if Nolan's is better in some respects... (origin was better, Gordan was better, etc. But Burton's Gotham was better, Burton's Batmobile was better, Elfman's score was better, etc.)

Atleast your post was intelligent and well thought. Of course, now Mr.Parker's going to come along calling us all idiots and saying we aren't 'true Batman fans' since we don't go along with his biased argument and his opinion. 🙄

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And so the battle continues... *sigh*

I will TRY to defend Burton, as I think he had an interesting idea for what Batman is and what Batman's world is... Once you get past the things you "purists" always ***** about (Keaton, killing, etc. etc.) it is a great movie that is entertaining, and that's what movies are all about...

First off, let's get the obvious arguments out of the way... Keaton was cast because he thought he could play a tortured, grim Batman and a serious Wayne, which for the most part (when he's with Alfred, alone, or in the costume) is true... The killing part, you do realize that in the 30s and in DKR, both are sources taken for the movie, Batman killed... Batman was losing to the big guy in the cathedral because 1. He had just crashed his plane, and I don't care who you are, you are gonna feel the effects... 2. The guy was bigger and had more punching/grappling power 3. From what I remember, the guy surprise attacked Batman 4. Batman was not exactly concentrating on fighting, as he was trying to rescue Vale... All these put together, it'd be really tough for someone, even a fighter, to keep control of the fight...

Also, Keaton trained for two months and studied kick boxing for the role from his stunt man, David Lea...

To you, he may be a "moron", but to non comic reading people around the world, he showed them what Batman is supposed to be, a dark, terrifying creature of the night... He almost completely deleted the stigma that came from Adam West Batman... His visions brought about BTAS and it's spin-offs...

Sure, it wasn't exact comic trueness, but then again, neither is Nolan's series, it takes just as many liberties (Ras is Bruce's trainer, for one), I think (though Begins was great and TDK will probably also be great) the "realism" of it kinda makes it less true, as Batman doesn't exactly live in a "realistic" world... (which makes it impossible for Bale to star in a Justice League movie, as it is too fantasy-based and would contradict the Batman he plays)

Anyways, I just think that they were good movies in their own right. The atmosphere was there, the car was there, the score was there, the classic scenes were there, and the dark roots of the character was ultimately there...

You may or may not agree, and you may think that I, too, am a moron, but whatever, because I grew up with Burton Batman, and I will continue to watch and enjoy Burton Batman, even if Nolan's is better in some respects... (origin was better, Gordan was better, etc. But Burton's Gotham was better, Burton's Batmobile was better, Elfman's score was better, etc.)

👆 Thats four people that agree with that post.

Oh yeah hadnt Batman just clmibed up a huge flight of stairs. Oh yeah was Batman ever scared of bats in the comics because he wasnt in the dark knight returns did Batman ever have a batmobile as big as a tank?

Originally posted by Alfheim
👆 Thats four people that agree with that post.

Oh yeah hadnt Batman just clmibed up a huge flight of stairs. Oh yeah was Batman ever scared of bats in the comics because he wasnt in the dark knight returns did Batman ever have a batmobile as big as a tank?

can we all just come to an agreement, that Burton is a moron when it comes to basically all movies besides his twisted films scissorhands and nightmare before christmas used as a display pic for emo kids.

Burton ruined Batman, he ruined Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, he ruined Planet of the Apes, i cant go on...maybe he'll direct the sequel to Superman: The Man Of Steel??? who knows...nicholas cage in black, capeless spandex...but hey maybe he'll do a good job in creating the world that superman is in?

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
can we all just come to an agreement, that Burton is a moron when it comes to basically all movies besides his twisted films scissorhands and nightmare before christmas used as a display pic for emo kids.

Burton ruined Batman, he ruined Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, he ruined Planet of the Apes, i cant go on...maybe he'll direct the sequel to Superman: The Man Of Steel??? who knows...nicholas cage in black, capeless spandex...but hey maybe he'll do a good job in creating the world that superman is in?

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Yes. As a kid, yes. And DEFINATELY yes. He has a the Tank Batmobile in TDKR when he's blowing up a bunch of Mutant Gang members right before the fight with their leader. 😉

Oh yeah I remember that, did he use it in year one though? Its not something that Batman uses all the time like he did in BB is it? Ok lets put it this way its seems that Batman has never had a fear of bats, therefore why was this put in Batman Begins, using Mr Parkers logic the film is crap.

Eventhough we dont see Batman falling down a rabbit hole in Burton's Batman he refers to the incident by saying "They're great survivors." We know that Batmnans origin is because of his fascination with bats and his parenrts getting killed and Burton made this evident.

Furthermore doesnt Arkham Asylum look gothic in the comic books in the film it looks modern, in fact isnt Burton's Gotham better than BB? Is BB crap because of this as well? I think we should all things in BB that are not consistent with the comic and rubbish it. 😛

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
I actually liked Burton's Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and I was forced to see it as I hated that gawd awful Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and had no interest in seeing it.

Seriously? ...wow. You're the first of your kind I've heard of.

Originally posted by xNIXSONx
can we all just come to an agreement, that Burton is a moron when it comes to basically all movies besides his twisted films scissorhands and nightmare before christmas used as a display pic for emo kids.

Burton ruined Batman, he ruined Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, he ruined Planet of the Apes, i cant go on...maybe he'll direct the sequel to Superman: The Man Of Steel??? who knows...nicholas cage in black, capeless spandex...but hey maybe he'll do a good job in creating the world that superman is in?

well the true Batman fans can come to that agreement. 😄 He sure did ruin those movies.Yeah thats the proof in the pudding right there that Burton is an idiot when it comes to comicbook films.If it had been up to HIM to direct Superman Returns,we would have been stuck with Nicholas Cage in black capeless spandex.Thats who he was set on casting and what his plans were for that movie.Thank god warner brothers got smart and changed their mind about him directing that movie.It was already bad enough that he disgraced batman with his horrid choice of half bald short runt keaton as batman and made that movie into a boring snoozefest,He indeed would have done the same thing with Superman.I laugh equally as hard when i think about the choice of Cage playing superman the same way I laugh over the casting of keaton everytime i see him in those batman movies. 😆 I cant keep a straight face on what a joke those movies are.

as i said sometime back earlier,Burton needs to stick to his OWN material and leave classics like batman and willie wonka alone.He always disgraces those movies that are classic material.He needs to stick with his own stuff like Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare before christmas.when he does that,he makes decent films.