Team A vs Team B

WW can take Hulk IMO.
Gladiator should be able to at least stalemate Superman
Doomsday should be able to at least stalemate Lobo if not outright kill him (since she said it's the weaker Lobo)
Thor without the hammer? Hell......he's stalemated Hulk without the hammer. Don't see how people think he's crap without it 😬 . Godforce blast baby.

So all in all i'm gonna go with team B

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
WW can take Hulk IMO.
Gladiator should be able to at least stalemate Superman
Doomsday should be able to at least stalemate Lobo if not outright kill him (since she said it's the weaker Lobo)
Thor without the hammer? Hell......he's stalemated Hulk without the hammer. Don't see how people think he's crap without it 😬 . Godforce blast baby.

So all in all i'm gonna go with team B

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Khellendros
I most definitely do not think Thor is useless without his hammer. But, really, who does he break out his Godforce blast against? Galactus and Celestials. Not a bunch of fighters down around his own power level. WW COULD take Hulk, but in my opinion just won't more often than not. Couple of his massive thunderclaps and she's staggered at least. Avalon is right that B is more versatility, but I kinda think its versatility in areas that don't matte too much against the other team.

WW has the great advantage of flying as well as speed. Coupled with her strength it could (speculating) be enough to knock Hulk out at the beginning, before he amps up too much. Even if he DOES amp up, how's he going to break the lasso? Not to mention the lasso is known to calm people down and such (thought she could also mind control people that're caught in it, but not sure). Either way, Hulk is out of the picture.

Thor doesn't even need the Godforce blast. He can very well go physical. He HAS stalemated Hulk without Mjolnir. And unlike Juggernaut, Hulk's strength keeps going up.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
WW has the great advantage of flying as well as speed. Coupled with her strength it could (speculating) be enough to knock Hulk out at the beginning, before he amps up too much. Even if he DOES amp up, how's he going to break the lasso? Not to mention the lasso is known to calm people down and such (thought she could also mind control people that're caught in it, but not sure). Either way, Hulk is out of the picture.

Thor doesn't even need the Godforce blast. He can very well go physical. He HAS stalemated Hulk without Mjolnir. And unlike Juggernaut, Hulk's strength keeps going up.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by LethalFemme
who wins?

Superman
Juggernaut/classic
Hulk
Lobo

vs

Gladiator
Wonder Woman
Doomsday
Thor/no hammer

Team A 7/10

Superman vs Gladiator= Tie
Superman vs Wonder Woman= Superman 6/10
Superman vs Doomsday= Doomsday 6/10
Superman vs Thor w/o Hammer= Superman 8/10

Superman and Gladiaotr are too even to call.
Superman is stronger faster and has more powers than Diana while her fighting prowess comensates some what overall he has a greater chance to win.
Superman can't Beat doomsday agian the smae way maybe by sundippign or soemthign ludicrous
Even if Thor has his God Blast he is still goign to have to hit Superman with it and Supes will probalby dodge it much easier than Thor cna dodge Supes Speed Blitz.

Jugg vs Gladiator= Tie. Cain cna't touch Glad and Glad can't really beat Juggernaut.
Jugg vs Wonder Woman= same deal as above. Even if her magical Tiara can injure him his powers wont allow him to stay injured.
Juggs vs Doomdsay= Tie neither one cna kill the other for good.
Juggs vs Thor= Jugg 8/10 considering that Juggernaut has already beatn the piss out of THor with his hammer I think it stands to reason that Juggernaut beats Thor without it. Since the hammer would have been the only thing that would have allowed him to win.

Hulk vs Gladiaotr= Gladiator 6/10 If Hulk cna get his hands on Glad then the tow have a fight but if Glad just speed blitzs him all day and stays away nad uses heat visio he might be able to get the K.O
Hulk vs Wonder Woman= Tie. I think she s pretty fast but without an effective long range weapon Daina is goign to have to close to melee range and thats when she falls into Hulks hands. Also if Superman can break Diana's lasso Hulk can probably do it too.
Hulk vs Doomsday= Doomsday 7/10 While the Hulk cna probalby get strong enough to kill Doomsday again, he would likely be dead long before that.
Hulk vs Thor= Hulk 8/10 with his hammer the most Thor does is stalemate Hulk without it Hulk eats him for breakfast.

Lobo vs Gladiator= Gladiator 6/10 Lobo can handle a speed blitz but I think Gladiator is still pretty strong and tough and will probalby uppercut his ass into orbit liek Superman did.
Lobo vs Wonder Woman= Lobo 6/10 Lobo is simply too durable and his healing factor is insane. Pls diana's major trump card (fighting skils) is tha tmuch of an advantae when stacked agains't Lobo's. Maybe if she cna get the Lasso aroudn him butconsidering he already killed heaven and hell he might be too powerful for it.

Doomsday tips the scales in team B. He's simply too much for any 1 or even 2 characters on team A to handle. Add WW with her lasso teaming up with Gladiator to tie up juggy and juggernaut is out of the fight. Still leaving Thor as a free agent, to handle anything else.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Team A 7/10

Superman vs Gladiator= Tie
Superman vs Wonder Woman= Superman 6/10
Superman vs Doomsday= Doomsday 6/10
Superman vs Thor w/o Hammer= Superman 8/10

Superman and Gladiaotr are too even to call.
Superman is stronger faster and has more powers than Diana while her fighting prowess comensates some what overall he has a greater chance to win.
Superman can't Beat doomsday agian the smae way maybe by sundippign or soemthign ludicrous
Even if Thor has his God Blast he is still goign to have to hit Superman with it and Supes will probalby dodge it much easier than Thor cna dodge Supes Speed Blitz.

Jugg vs Gladiator= Tie. Cain cna't touch Glad and Glad can't really beat Juggernaut.
Jugg vs Wonder Woman= same deal as above. Even if her magical Tiara can injure him his powers wont allow him to stay injured.
Juggs vs Doomdsay= Tie neither one cna kill the other for good.
Juggs vs Thor= Jugg 8/10 considering that Juggernaut has already beatn the piss out of THor with his hammer I think it stands to reason that Juggernaut beats Thor without it. Since the hammer would have been the only thing that would have allowed him to win.

Hulk vs Gladiaotr= Gladiator 6/10 If Hulk cna get his hands on Glad then the tow have a fight but if Glad just speed blitzs him all day and stays away nad uses heat visio he might be able to get the K.O
Hulk vs Wonder Woman= Tie. I think she s pretty fast but without an effective long range weapon Daina is goign to have to close to melee range and thats when she falls into Hulks hands. Also if Superman can break Diana's lasso Hulk can probably do it too.
Hulk vs Doomsday= Doomsday 7/10 While the Hulk cna probalby get strong enough to kill Doomsday again, he would likely be dead long before that.
Hulk vs Thor= Hulk 8/10 with his hammer the most Thor does is stalemate Hulk without it Hulk eats him for breakfast.

Lobo vs Gladiator= Gladiator 6/10 Lobo can handle a speed blitz but I think Gladiator is still pretty strong and tough and will probalby uppercut his ass into orbit liek Superman did.
Lobo vs Wonder Woman= Lobo 6/10 Lobo is simply too durable and his healing factor is insane. Pls diana's major trump card (fighting skils) is tha tmuch of an advantae when stacked agains't Lobo's. Maybe if she cna get the Lasso aroudn him butconsidering he already killed heaven and hell he might be too powerful for it.

i dont understand ur logic its an all out fight and WW can handle hulk.

Thor w/o mjolnir a weaklink? Maybe cos Superman's speed advantage. He can speed bliz but that cun mean Thor cannot catch him in a grapple-hold. Coming close to beat Thor is a risk Supes has to take. In a grapple Thor is way skilled than Supes (only Herc is slightly better in skill than Thor). A Godblast from there could end Supes story.

Thor did the impossible b4. That is to push back the unstoppable Juggs with godblast. But note that is a weak Thor. Now we have a strong classic Thor w/o Mjolnir. But i don't think the full godblast could put juggs down but could greatly weaken juggs. Thor shld go for either Hulk or Superman.

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Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Doomsday tips the scales in team B. He's simply too much for any 1 or even 2 characters on team A to handle. Add WW with her lasso teaming up with Gladiator to tie up juggy and juggernaut is out of the fight. Still leaving Thor as a free agent, to handle anything else.

Why would this put Juggernaut out of the fight? THe Lasso has been broken before has it not? You are assuming that Zeus' Magic is greater than Cytorak who is also a skyfather. Also you are assuimg that it can stop Juggernaut.

Originally posted by joesha28
Thor w/o mjolnir a weaklink? Maybe cos Superman's speed advantage. He can speed bliz but that cun mean Thor cannot catch him in a grapple-hold. Coming close to beat Thor is a risk Supes has to take. In a grapple Thor is way skilled than Supes (only Herc is slightly better in skill than Thor). A Godblast from there could end Supes story.

Thor did the impossible b4. That is to push back the unstoppable Juggs with godblast. But note that is a weak Thor. Now we have a strong classic Thor w/o Mjolnir. But i don't think the full godblast could put juggs down but could greatly weaken juggs. Thor shld go for either Hulk or Superman.

He wasn't greatly weakened in their first fight. Unless you mean from the beating he got form Juggernaut. While the Godblast pushed Juggernaut back it didn't hurt him at all or he certainly had no indication of being damaged infact it only pushed him bakc temproarily as regained his momentum beofre ht ground collapsed.

Mjoler is Thor's only chance of beating Juggernaut. With it he was able to negate some of Cytorakk's enchanments and probably brough thim down to his courretn level but not that he was still getting hell of a beating.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
i dont understand ur logic its an all out fight and WW can handle hulk.

I didn't say that she couldn't handle hulk merely that the fight could just as easily go to one as the other.

I know it is an all out fight but the number are even so unless people just stand around there is no real way for one person to tag-team the other. Doomsday is really the strongest on team B but if the sick Juggernaut on him they can stall unitl the other fights pan out.

Originally posted by Warmonger
Why would this put Juggernaut out of the fight? THe Lasso has been broken before has it not? You are assuming that Zeus' Magic is greater than Cytorak who is also a skyfather. Also you are assuimg that it can stop Juggernaut.

The Lasso was broken only once. By Diana herself. Diana possesses the Fires of Truth within her. Thus when she made a gross betrayal (i.e. lie) to herself, the Lasso broke. Diana recognized her inner betrayal and lasso was all better.

NOTHING physically can break the lasso. Not no one. Not no how. Not even the Spectre could break the damn thing. Why? Because the lasso is the embodiement of Truth. When the lasso broke, reality began to fall apart. The moon was suddenly made of cheese. The Earth became the center of the universe. The world became flat. Hypertime itself was threatened into dissolving into cosmic goo. It's not Zeus' magic. It's Truth itself. NOTHING can break it. Nothing physically. Nothing magically either.

It would take someone like the Living Tribunal to break the lasso. If and only it was willing to destroy all creation....

Juggernaut would lose via two ways:

A) Knock of his helmet and have the Invisible Plane mind**** him.
B) Restrain him with the lasso rendering him immobile
C) Godwave his ass to dust.

Originally posted by Draco69
The Lasso was broken only once. By Diana herself. Diana possesses the Fires of Truth within her. Thus when she made a gross betrayal (i.e. lie) to herself, the Lasso broke. Diana recognized her inner betrayal and lasso was all better.

NOTHING physically can break the lasso. Not no one. Not no how. Not even the Spectre could break the damn thing. Why? Because the lasso is the embodiement of Truth. When the lasso broke, reality began to fall apart. The moon was suddenly made of cheese. The Earth became the center of the universe. The world became flat. Hypertime itself was threatened into dissolving into cosmic goo. It's not Zeus' magic. It's Truth itself. NOTHING can break it. Nothing physically. Nothing magically either.

It would take someone like the Living Tribunal to break the lasso. If and only it was willing to destroy all creation....

Juggernaut would lose via two ways:

A) Knock of his helmet and have the Invisible Plane mind**** him.
B) Restrain him with the lasso rendering him immobile
C) Godwave his ass to dust.

Hmm... well if what yoursaying si ture then I have to agree about the lasso and the invisible Plane if it cna really do that. Godwave not so sure.

Wait where did the Invisible Plane come form in all of this?

The Godwave is the the primodial enity of all Creation. If Diana were to use the Godwave (albeit only for a few seconds or else she goes crazy and might destroy all reality ala Wanda) she would be a step below the Presence.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
who wins?

Superman
Juggernaut/classic
Hulk
Lobo

vs

Gladiator
Wonder Woman
Doomsday
Thor/no hammer

good match. VERY close.

supes beats glads (barely). ww takes out juggs (as she has before) doomsday beats hulk (barely). lobo is beating thor until he godblasts lobo into oblivion. ww doomsday and thor take out supes.

ouch. this could go about a 100 different ways . . .

i don't have a friggin' clue, but my gut says team 2.

Hopefully Lobo ain't all "every drop of blood creates a new Lobo"....

Originally posted by Draco69
The Godwave is the the primodial enity of all Creation. If Diana were to use the Godwave (albeit only for a few seconds or else she goes crazy and might destroy all reality ala Wanda) she would be a step below the Presence.

If she can use this without killing everyone as well then ok I cna accept that.

Sitll think team 1 though. Its relaly all in the match ups I just feel 1 is less vulnerable.

Originally posted by Khellendros
I most definitely do not think Thor is useless without his hammer. But, really, who does he break out his Godforce blast against? Galactus and Celestials. Not a bunch of fighters down around his own power level. WW COULD take Hulk, but in my opinion just won't more often than not. Couple of his massive thunderclaps and she's staggered at least. Avalon is right that B is more versatility, but I kinda think its versatility in areas that don't matte too much against the other team.

Actually, he's used it on Gladiator. And Juggernaut, as mentioned before. If he's having a hard time, he whips it out. I'd say he'd be mroe likely to do so when he doesn't have Mjolnir.

Still goin with Team 2.

Originally posted by Draco69
Hopefully Lobo ain't all "every drop of blood creates a new Lobo"....

I already asked... LethalFemme said no.