Originally posted by Ianus
Actually, I voted for Traya. She can feed off of the Force of others, until they die (Which for three living, able jedi masters she drained them inside of a second). I don't see any reason or evidence as to why Kun would be able to block such an attack since he never spoke of, learned about, or otherwise used it. Its origins are Malachor V, and he never went there.So really, there is no case for him just getting by without being eaten.
As much as I respect Kreias power, I think your argument is unfounded based on the fact we know little of Kreias instakill ability and who she would be capable of using it on. Also Exar Kun drains the whole massasi(sp?) race in the comics, so its not like its never been done before.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Also, she isn't the first person to learn it. It has to be blockable in some way or another, or else the Sith who invented it(whoever built Malacor V would have killed all of his rivals easily.
"There are techniques in the Force against which there is no defense".
- Kreia, Head Mistress of the Trayus Academy.
Apparently there wasn't a defense against it known.
Known to Kreia, but because of Sith nature, whoever learned that attack would pwn everyone else and then march into the Jedi Temple and destroy the Council. This didn't happen, so there has to be some sort of defense for it. Exar doesn't necessarily know it, so I am not going to give a judgment on this battle(unless I already did on the other page, in which case I take that one back).
Originally posted by Ianus
And let me rephrase my position on her ability...As it stands now, there are no clear limitations on her ability. ASSUMING that there is indeed no defense (As is the case with Nihilus' ability versus force users) Kun would be destroyed.
Thats bad logic Janus, theres has been no documented case of somone resisting Vaders force choke, does that mean it has no limitations? No.
But there ARE documented cases of people resisting Force telekinesis. So it's blockable. But Force drain/eat/mow or whatever is exclusive to the KOTOR era Sith, and there isn't a defense noted against it.
It's faulty logic to say Person A can block it unless they have clearly been able to before. For example, the Exile couldn't be fed on in the same manner by someone who does the ability even better than kreia (Nihilus) because of his nature as a wound in the Force. Thus, we can conclude that individuals like the Exile (Who himself is one of a kind, though maybe Ulic could pull it off) can resist. However, three jedi masters, an entire planet of force users, etc.... all eaten by the power. Apparently one has to be unique to resist it. That's the whole reason for having the Exile.
Apparently later Jedi came up with a defense for the technique. Vergere could completely remove herself from the force and also completely removed Jacen for a time(although Jacen did develop something similar to the force. Imagine a light spectrum. Jedi use and see the visible light, but he then developed the ability to see infra-red, but had to cut himself off from the "visible" force to do so). Point is, apparently, Jedi later developed a defense against it.
It is inaccurate to say there is no limitation to Traya's demonstrated "ability" considering she had multiple other opportunities to do it, but never once attempted to do so. Nihilus on the other hand relies frequently on that ability and it's logical to assume (even if we didn't know for a fact) he doesn't have limitations on that ability.
I'm not so sure it's strictly is a KotOR era ability. There is no mention of Traya creating it or even perfecting it. If it really is an ancient Sith, I'm with Glentract in believing there is a method of resisting it.
Originally posted by Ianus
But there ARE documented cases of people resisting Force telekinesis. So it's blockable. But Force drain/eat/mow or whatever is exclusive to the KOTOR era Sith, and there isn't a defense noted against it.It's faulty logic to say Person A can block it unless they have clearly been able to before. For example, the Exile couldn't be fed on in the same manner by someone who does the ability even better than kreia (Nihilus) because of his nature as a wound in the Force. Thus, we can conclude that individuals like the Exile (Who himself is one of a kind, though maybe Ulic could pull it off) can resist. However, three jedi masters, an entire planet of force users, etc.... all eaten by the power. Apparently one has to be unique to resist it. That's the whole reason for having the Exile.
1.Exclusive to KOTOR? Ive already shown you Exar used force drain, and as Glentract pointed out the ancient sith most likely invented it. Im not sure force telekinesis and choke are the same, Ill look into it.
2.The whole wound in the force thing that KOTOR II implemented is confusing, I mean if the Exile was truly a void in the force how was he able to use it? Too many unanswered questions.