Exar Kun vs. Marka Ragnos

Originally posted by Illustrious
There is no contradiction. The Essential Guide in this case can be used officially. And Glentract is right, the Essential Guide is actually a high level of officiality than the comics, strangely enough.

He looks like Ragnos, he's said to be Ragnos in the Essential Guide, the fact he remains "nameless" does nothing to contradict this in anyway.

I guess Kreia is unbeatable. She can go about instakilling anyone she damn wants.

Kun performed the ability once. You have no idea what goes into the action of freezing an individual. Throwing one possible alternative is ASS-U-Me'ing.

Oh please. To say that the Essential Guide can contradict its source and still be correct is a fallacy. Try that in anything academic and you'll be laughed at before they kick you out of the course, or the school.

He is not Ragnos, the narrator states him to be the reigning Dark Lord at the time that the Republic and Jedi were hunting the Sith to their extinction. Ragnos was not Dark Lord during that time or any time similar, period. He. Isn't. Ragnos.

Kun performed it once against the Galactic Senate, not to mention all the other armed non-force sensitives present. That's tens of thousands of sentient individuals. I'm damned certain he can perform it on Mandalore. To assume he cannot is ludicrous. Even the Force-sensitives of his era (at least individually, because he knew he couldn't face every Jedi in the galaxy, which were in orbit above Yavin IV) were beneath him.

Originally posted by IKC
Oh please. To say that the Essential Guide can contradict its source and still be correct is a fallacy. Try that in anything academic and you'll be laughed at before they kick you out of the course, or the school.

You still have to prove otherwise. Illustrious is a very reputable person who has no major bias' that I know of, so it makes more sense to go with him.

You also need to understand that the Essential Guides do not use the comics as sources. They are seperate writings of a higher level. Your argument is destroyed.

Originally posted by IKC
He is not Ragnos, the narrator states him to be the reigning Dark Lord at the time that the Republic and Jedi were hunting the Sith to their extinction. Ragnos was not Dark Lord during that time or any time similar, period. He. Isn't. Ragnos.

Ragnos could have had a vision of a few years in the future whe the Sith were being hunted to extinction. Why wouldn't he kill Sadow? Well maybe he just didn't care. Ragnos, "Hmmm. Sadow is going to go to war after I am dead. Maybe I should stop him. Or maybe not because I'll be dead. Yes, I think I won't."

Or maybe Ragnos DID want to go to, but didn't because he knew he was going to die soon and that after he died the Empire would fall apart. Not something you want to have happen during a war.

Originally posted by IKC
Kun performed it once against the Galactic Senate, not to mention all the other armed non-force sensitives present. That's tens of thousands of sentient individuals. I'm damned certain he can perform it on Mandalore. To assume he cannot is ludicrous. Even the Force-sensitives of his era (at least individually, because he knew he couldn't face every Jedi in the galaxy, which were in orbit above Yavin IV) were beneath him.

Not impressive at all, really. Joruus C'Baoth, a relatively unamazing Jedi Clone did the same thing to 46,700 people with barely any effort. He did MORE than Kun, he not only froze them, but then later controlled all of them for a time until Thrawn got him to stop.

Now, please show me what makes you think Exar is so powerful.

Originally posted by IKC
The question was "Prove that Exar wouldn't almost have lost to Mandalore."

Please, try to remember your own statements.

Wow. I mean. There is NO WAY that I could be asking a different question. (sarcasm for the slower people.)

Still waiting for you to answer it.

Originally posted by IKC
Wrong, that's not what it reads. It reads that he knows he needs to gain more recruits, not that he already has them or has spent his time getting them.

Indeed, the opposite is true. Kun acquires these new disciples within the comic, not before, from Ossus.

So he knows he needs more recruits, but he isn't trying to recruit them. That doesn't make much sense.

Marka Ragnos...

Ragnos again.

So the sith lord looks nothing like this?

Oh please. To say that the Essential Guide can contradict its source and still be correct is a fallacy. Try that in anything academic and you'll be laughed at before they kick you out of the course, or the school.

Try the "Naga Sadow how powerful tools, ergo he isn't as powerful as we think he is" kind of logic, and they'd never admit you in the first place.

Do you want me to point out every single logical fallacy you've used? I only have a 10k character limit per post, so I suppose that's difficult.

He is not Ragnos, the narrator states him to be the reigning Dark Lord at the time that the Republic and Jedi were hunting the Sith to their extinction. Ragnos was not Dark Lord during that time or any time similar, period. He. Isn't. Ragnos.

That explains how he looks like Ragnos, talks like Ragnos, is described as being Ragnos is other sources, yet he isn't Ragnos? You'll need to do more than point out a possible temporal incongruity for that.

Kun performed it once against the Galactic Senate, not to mention all the other armed non-force sensitives present. That's tens of thousands of sentient individuals. I'm damned certain he can perform it on Mandalore. To assume he cannot is ludicrous. Even the Force-sensitives of his era (at least individually, because he knew he couldn't face every Jedi in the galaxy, which were in orbit above Yavin IV) were beneath him.

I can use the same logic.

Kreia casually walked in, she easily tossed around three esteemed Jedi Masters and killed them on the spot. There is no reason to assume that she can't do it again.

The fact is, she didn't do it again onscreen. Just like Kun didn't do it again. To assume she can do it at will is taking into account variables you can not control.

And like Glentract said, Joruus took control of thousands of individuals simultaneously and was remotely affecting their actions. That's impressive, does that prove he was stronger than Kun? No, because arguing based upon feat wars is stupid. You and I have no idea about the level of difficulty or mastery required of any of these force powers.

Originally posted by Ianus
Marka Ragnos...

Ragnos again.

So the sith lord looks nothing like this?

Man those guys have really long chins.

i agree with glentract.

Originally posted by Ianus
Marka Ragnos...

Ragnos again.

So the sith lord looks nothing like this?

What comic series is that? I might go get 'em.

You still have to prove otherwise. Illustrious is a very reputable person who has no major bias' that I know of, so it makes more sense to go with him.

Oh yes, because that's not bias. Don't be ridiculous, I don't have to prove to you that your Cliff's Notes can't rightly contradict my literature. Logic and common sense, which you seem to avoid like the plague, do that for me.

Ragnos could have had a vision of a few years in the future whe the Sith were being hunted to extinction. Why wouldn't he kill Sadow? Well maybe he just didn't care. Ragnos, "Hmmm. Sadow is going to go to war after I am dead. Maybe I should stop him. Or maybe not because I'll be dead. Yes, I think I won't."

Or maybe Ragnos DID want to go to, but didn't because he knew he was going to die soon and that after he died the Empire would fall apart. Not something you want to have happen during a war.

Oh, sure. So nevermind that the entire reason Ragnos never wanted to attack the Republic is because he believed the Sith Empire would be destroyed. He just wouldn't care because he'd be dead. That makes quite a bit of sense.

Query: How does deciding not to kill the man who would start the war because you'll be dead later on, and without you your Empire would fall in war, make any sense?

Ragnos: "Hm. I'd better do something about Sadow, he'll start a war and destroy the Empire. But zOMG! I'm going to die soon. That'll be disastrous for the war effort! Nevermind that there wouldn't be any war effort if I just reached out and slaughtered him!"

Yeah Glentract. That makes sense.

Not impressive at all, really. Joruus C'Baoth, a relatively unamazing Jedi Clone did the same thing to 46,700 people with barely any effort. He did MORE than Kun, he not only froze them, but then later controlled all of them for a time until Thrawn got him to stop.

Actually, Joruus's feat is very impressive. He didn't freeze them, however. He may have been one of the greatest practitioners of battle meditation. However, he did not control these people against their will. They desired to fight. Are you stating that because Bastila, for instance, could do the same she's more powerful than Kun? Don't be ridiculous. Kun froze tens of thousands against their will. Battle meditation is a whole other animal in comparison.

Now, please show me what makes you think Exar is so powerful.

Why, exactly? Oh wait, you've not read the comics. Maybe Darkstar will swing by and paste his gigantic "reasons Exar Kun kicks serious ass."

Wow. I mean. There is NO WAY that I could be asking a different question. (sarcasm for the slower people.)

Still waiting for you to answer it.

I answered your first question, so you turn around and ask a different one. Fine. Mandalore and Ulic made a deal that whoever the victor was would receive the allegiance of the other's army. Kun wins, and gains the Mandalorians.

So he knows he needs more recruits, but he isn't trying to recruit them. That doesn't make much sense.

You need to read what I wrote. Kun's first appearance in The Sith War shows him, having just arrived on Ossus, the Jedi planet, giving a speech to a group of Jedi Knights, using his silver tongue to get them to come train with him.

Oh yes, because that's not bias. Don't be ridiculous, I don't have to prove to you that your Cliff's Notes can't rightly contradict my literature. Logic and common sense, which you seem to avoid like the plague, do that for me.

You do when Lucas's company states the "Cliff's Notes" are official (which is as higher than the comics themselves). Last I check, that happened.

Oh, sure. So nevermind that the entire reason Ragnos never wanted to attack the Republic is because he believed the Sith Empire would be destroyed. He just wouldn't care because he'd be dead. That makes quite a bit of sense.

Query: How does deciding not to kill the man who would start the war because you'll be dead later on, and without you your Empire would fall in war, make any sense?

Ragnos: "Hm. I'd better do something about Sadow, he'll start a war and destroy the Empire. But zOMG! I'm going to die soon. That'll be disastrous for the war effort! Nevermind that there wouldn't be any war effort if I just reached out and slaughtered him!"

Yeah Glentract. That makes sense.

Arguing that someone who looks like Ragnos, sounds like Ragnos, acts like Ragnos, and is described as Ragnos in the official site, the Essential Guide, and other places (while not directly contradicting the original literature) makes a lot of sense too, IKC.

Why, exactly? Oh wait, you've not read the comics. Maybe Darkstar will swing by and paste his gigantic "reasons Exar Kun kicks serious ass."

And I could say just as much that you haven't read the Golden Age of the Sith.

Don't be silly and get one-sided. Even Lord Darkstar agrees Ragnos would paste Kun.

Try the "Naga Sadow how powerful tools, ergo he isn't as powerful as we think he is" kind of logic, and they'd never admit you in the first place.

Your reading skills would preclude you from admission as well. This is my message: ""Naga Sadow had powerful tools and used them to perform his most impressive feats, ergo he isn't as powerful in the Force as we think he is."

That explains how he looks like Ragnos, talks like Ragnos, is described as being Ragnos is other sources, yet he isn't Ragnos? You'll need to do more than point out a possible temporal incongruity for that.

Possible temporal incongruity? It's more like a temporal impossibility, Illustrious. It's absolutely explicit: The message was made by the reigning Dark Lord at a time when the Republic and Jedi were hunting the Sith to extinction. Marka Ragnos was the Dark Lord at no such time, ergo Marka Ragnos did not make the message.

The entire point is irrelevant, however. Glentract first wrote, incorrectly, that Ulic or some such was frightened of the spirit of the unnamed Dark Lord. He was not. It matters not who he is.

Kreia casually walked in, she easily tossed around three esteemed Jedi Masters and killed them on the spot. There is no reason to assume that she can't do it again.

Exactly. There isn't a reason she can't do it again. However, neither Kreia nor Kun had any reason to perform the feats again. Kreia because she was only threatened by the Exile, whom is presumably immune, and Kun because he never had to deal with any more mobs of non-force-sensitives.

You and I have no idea about the level of difficulty or mastery required of any of these force powers.

Apparently in all cases (save for perhaps Joruus'😉 it required little to no difficulty to use these force powers. Neither Exar nor Kreia appeared weakened, strained, or tired after performing these feats. There's no reason to believe they can not be repeated.

Your reading skills would preclude you from admission as well. This is my message: ""Naga Sadow had powerful tools and used them to perform his most impressive feats, ergo he isn't as powerful in the Force as we think he is."

Heh, I suppose your ad hominen skills preclude you from logical reasoning.

How does the postulate support the conclusion? Oh wait, it doesn't. The best it does is move Sadow's power back into the unknown column. From there, you launch about 15 assumptions.

Possible temporal incongruity? It's more like a temporal impossibility, Illustrious. It's absolutely explicit: The message was made by the reigning Dark Lord at a time when the Republic and Jedi were hunting the Sith to extinction. Marka Ragnos was the Dark Lord at no such time, ergo Marka Ragnos did not make the message.

The entire point is irrelevant, however. Glentract first wrote, incorrectly, that Ulic or some such was frightened of the spirit of the unnamed Dark Lord. He was not. It matters not who he is.

Other sources of canon contradict this. This isn't canon hierarchy according to IKC, this is according to Lucasfilm, and according to them, it was Ragnos.

This isn't anime. Ulic doesn't have to have a sweat-drop or shaking knees to indicate he's scared. He sure as hell didn't question anything.

Exactly. There isn't a reason she can't do it again. However, neither Kreia nor Kun had any reason to perform the feats again. Kreia because she was only threatened by the Exile, whom is presumably immune, and Kun because he never had to deal with any more mobs of non-force-sensitives.

Again semantics. They don't have on-panel evidence because they don't have "any reason." Well I suppose Sadow doesn't have "any reason" to utilize more effective techniques because Gav shoots his ship.

Apparently in all cases (save for perhaps Joruus'😉 it required little to no difficulty to use these force powers. Neither Exar nor Kreia appeared weakened, strained, or tired after performing these feats. There's no reason to believe they can not be repeated.

Weren't you arguing that absence of proof is proof of absence. Just as easily could I say by your own logical admission, since they have not performed the feat again, they can't.

Originally posted by Escape81
Well, I'll insert my two cents:

Marka Ragnos is powerful, but he is an unknown. No one knows what he can do, precisely. To my knowledge, he has no known instakill ability, nor can he manipulate blackholes. You are judging his level of power based on the fear of his peers. Indeed, but several of you have argued Dooku was superior to Sidious, but the Count still feared his master. Thus, it is plausible that Dooku is very much the inferior Force-user. Or is it?

Simply put, he had to be powerful to kill Simus. But it may be very possible for DE Sidious or Kreia to kill Ragnos, as he does not have any known defense against their instakills, nor does he have any known one of his own.

Thus, consider it.

This doesn't add up.

Because narratively (and until someone can show the narration is exaggerated or untrue), he is "the Dark Lord of the Sith - the most powerful of the most powerful" (Emphasis GAotS). Meaning of all the Dark Lords, he is the most powerful. Simple interpretive logic.

You can't argue that this is not true because he is an "unknown" because that is an irrelevant negative. You can't disprove a positive with an irrelevant negative.

let me break it down. IKC, your wrong.
illustrious and glentract are very right, and you must be blind not to see that.

How does the postulate support the conclusion? Oh wait, it doesn't. The best it does is move Sadow's power back into the unknown column. From there, you launch about 15 assumptions.

No, because since Sadow displays no power that was not duplicated by a relative weakling, we then can reasonably state that he's weaker than, say, Nadd, Kun, or DE Sidious, whose great powers were not replicated by weaklings.

Other sources of canon contradict this. This isn't canon hierarchy according to IKC, this is according to Lucasfilm, and according to them, it was Ragnos.

Let me ask you something: If Lucas had authorized a book regarding character X, and the character definitely dies at the end of the book, but the book is later contradicted by a ridiculous reference book that states that the character actually went on to live, which is correct?

The primary source: the book. Because a reference book cannot dictate the plot of the primary source.

This isn't anime. Ulic doesn't have to have a sweat-drop or shaking knees to indicate he's scared. He sure as hell didn't question anything.

Don't be ridiculous. Neither Ulic nor Exar displayed any signs of fear whatsoever. They. Were. Not. Frightened. They stopped fighting, the spirit declared them the chosen, Kun the Dark Lord, and Qel-Droma his apprentice, and left. Because Kun knew Sith magic, was Ulic's equal temporarily with the lightsaber, and was his superior in Force power, Ulic didn't question being made the apprentice. (It's stated quite clearly that Kun was the most powerful force user of his time. Ulic would most likely be able to sense his strength)

Again semantics. They don't have on-panel evidence because they don't have "any reason." Well I suppose Sadow doesn't have "any reason" to utilize more effective techniques because Gav shoots his ship.

Or he doesn't have any more effective techniques. Sadow had plenty of reason, because he was about to lose a war.

Just as easily could I say by your own logical admission, since they have not performed the feat again, they can't.

Incorrect, because they were shown to have performed the feat without difficulty and without using a static focus of the Force. Sadow had to use the static focus (his ship) to perform his most impressive feat. And if I'm not mistaken, the sphere Sadow had helped to focus his illusions.

No, because since Sadow displays no power that was not duplicated by a relative weakling, we then can reasonably state that he's weaker than, say, Nadd, Kun, or DE Sidious, whose great powers were not replicated by weaklings.

WTF?

So I can assume Obi-Wan is stronger than Yoda with just the context of the Clone Wars, because Obi-Wan was in the fields leading battles while Yoda sat on his green ass?

No we can't. You can't take no evidence and spin it out as a negative.

Let me ask you something: If Lucas had authorized a book regarding character X, and the character definitely dies at the end of the book, but the book is later contradicted by a ridiculous reference book that states that the character actually went on to live, which is correct?

The primary source: the book. Because a reference book cannot dictate the plot of the primary source.

Again, irrelevant. Lucasfilm has authorized and made official the Essential Guide, ergo it is not a "ridiculous reference book."

Making a false analogy not only doesn't help your cause, it's logical fallacy.

Don't be ridiculous. Neither Ulic nor Exar displayed any signs of fear whatsoever. They. Were. Not. Frightened. They stopped fighting, the spirit declared them the chosen, Kun the Dark Lord, and Qel-Droma his apprentice, and left. Because Kun knew Sith magic, was Ulic's equal temporarily with the lightsaber, and was his superior in Force power, Ulic didn't question being made the apprentice. (It's stated quite clearly that Kun was the most powerful force user of his time. Ulic would most likely be able to sense his strength)

So wait. This narration of being "stated" works, but my narration doesn't?

What hypocrisy. Ulic fought Kun to a draw. To. A. Draw. (Notice I can make the same ridiculous points of emphasis you can, so let's cut out the semantics crap.)

According to you, the on-panel evidence has to support the narration. What good is the narration it if the on-panel evidence says Ulic fought Exar to a draw?

^ See how annoyingly stupid that is? ^

Or he doesn't have any more effective techniques. Sadow had plenty of reason, because he was about to lose a war.

Getting suddenly backstabbed and shot while you stood a good chance in a battle doesn't seem like a bad excuse for retreating, now doesn't it?

And because he was about to lose the war, he certainly didn't want to take his own life with him, different ideology. Sadow went on to preserve his life, not end it.

Incorrect, because they were shown to have performed the feat without difficulty and without using a static focus of the Force. Sadow had to use the static focus (his ship) to perform his most impressive feat. And if I'm not mistaken, the sphere Sadow had helped to focus his illusions.

They were shown performing the feat. We were never shown them performing the feat at another occassion. Nor were we shown the exact technique in the feat itself. And neither feat was shown to be viable in a dueling context.

So I can assume Obi-Wan is stronger than Yoda with just the context of the Clone Wars, because Obi-Wan was in the fields leading battles while Yoda sat on his green ass?

If the Clone Wars were the only evidence we had of Yoda's power, then yes.

Again, irrelevant. Lucasfilm has authorized and made official the Essential Guide, ergo it is not a "ridiculous reference book."

Oh, right, that's why the Lucas Books seal is stamped prominently on the back of DLotS. You didn't answered my analogy. Which book is correct? Which book should be correct, if you're going to blindly follow the arbitrary canon rules of Lucasfilm.

So wait. This narration of being "stated" works, but my narration doesn't?

Oh, it doesn't say that Kun's the most powerful of the era in the comics themselves. Look for your vaunted reference works for that particular statement. "zOMG, THEY ARE TEH CANON!"

What hypocrisy. Ulic fought Kun to a draw. To. A. Draw. (Notice I can make the same ridiculous points of emphasis you can, so let's cut out the semantics crap.)

You can't really say that, since the fight was a lightsaber stalemate that was interrupted midway. Say Obi-Wan fights Obi-Wan. One has to win eventually, right?

And besides, Kun would most likely get tired of the saber fight and start using the Dark Side, which Ulic hadn't fully accepted yet.

According to you, the on-panel evidence has to support the narration. What good is the narration it if the on-panel evidence says Ulic fought Exar to a draw?

Actually, the narration says that "neither can claim an advantage with the lightsaber!" That doesn't mean that they're going to be fighting forever or that it's a conclusive draw. It certainly doesn't mean they're definite equals.

Getting suddenly backstabbed and shot while you stood a good chance in a battle doesn't seem like a bad excuse for retreating, now doesn't it?

Sure, but that doesn't mean that if you have a powerful technique you don't give it a try while you're retreating. Sadow's ace up his sleeve was his ship's ability to affect the stars. He used that while making his final escape from republic pursuers.

They were shown performing the feat. We were never shown them performing the feat at another occassion. Nor were we shown the exact technique in the feat itself. And neither feat was shown to be viable in a dueling context.

Alright, let's accept the premise that these two could only perform these feats at the time they did. Maybe the planets were in alignment! Nevermind that I've never said anything similar regarding Sadow's feats.

What, then?

Quite obviously, Exar never had to freeze anyone he dueled, since he curbstomped them without even using offensive force powers. But what does it matter whether he can use it only once or many times?

Originally posted by Illustrious
This doesn't add up.

Because narratively (and until someone can show the narration is exaggerated or untrue), he is "the Dark Lord of the Sith - the most powerful of the most powerful" (Emphasis GAotS). Meaning of all the Dark Lords, he is the most powerful. Simple interpretive logic.

You can't argue that this is not true because he is an "unknown" because that is an irrelevant negative. You can't disprove a positive with an irrelevant negative.

Illustrious,

I'm a firm believer of the statement that there are always exceptions to the rule. Yes, Ragnos was cited as the most powerful Sith Lord, but only of that time. In retrospect, it would be impossible to name him stronger than such beings as Exar Kun, Kreia, and Revan simply because we do not have a grasp of his power. I did not deny that Ragnos was immensely powerful. What I am saying is that there are those imbued with the power of instakills i.e: Kreia, DE Sidious, ect.

Using those two as an example, Kreia was only defeated when she didn't fight back as hard as she could, and Sidious's spirit was expelled by a powerful Jedi.

But both had abilities in which there were no defense. So, it is impossible for you to state that Ragnos could defend himself against it, other than a mere citation of power which was only relevent during his time on the throne of the Sith Empire.

So until we see some defense, the possibility that someone with an instakill can kill Ragnos is highly possible.

Originally posted by Escape81
I'm a firm believer of the statement that there are always exceptions to the rule. Yes, Ragnos was cited as the most powerful Sith Lord, but only of that time. In retrospect, it would be impossible to name him stronger than such beings as Exar Kun, Kreia, and Revan simply because we do not have a grasp of his power. I did not deny that Ragnos was immensely powerful. What I am saying is that there are those imbued with the power of instakills i.e: Kreia, DE Sidious, ect.

They would probably be ineffective against Ragnos. See below.

Originally posted by Escape81
Using those two as an example, Kreia was only defeated when she didn't fight back as hard as she could, and Sidious's spirit was expelled by a powerful Jedi.

Sidious was also defeated by JA Luke and Leia(Wasn't he?). Brand isn't the most powerful dude of all time, certainly no where the level of Arca(who Nadd's older spirit killed).

Kreia's could have been defeated by nearly anyone with the ability to temporarily remove themself from the force. This is done by mutiple people.

Kreia/Nihilus' power can be block, rather easily, infact. The Jedi Exile was removed from the force, making him capable of winning. Jacen, a relatively weak person next to Ragnos, could do the same thing. Vergere could also do the same thing.

Originally posted by Escape81
But both had abilities in which there were no defense. So, it is impossible for you to state that Ragnos could defend himself against it, other than a mere citation of power which was only relevent during his time on the throne of the Sith Empire.

Both had abilities that CAN be defended against, as shown above.

Originally posted by Escape81
So until we see some defense, the possibility that someone with an instakill can kill Ragnos is highly possible.

Until we see someone with an unblockable instakill, it would be foolish to assume that.

Oh my god:

IKC. Can you please use at least some logic ? The spirit talking to Ulic and Exar is Ragnos and that quote about the time he came from is completely senseless.

There were only two times were Jedi and the Republic hunted down Dark Siders. The first would be about 25,000 years ABY before the Sith Empire was even formed and the second would be the time period of the Great Hyperspace war. In the first time period there was no Dark Lord because there was no Sith Empire. In the second time period it would be limited to either Ragnos, Sadow and Kressh.

Kressh was blown up with his ship so Kun couldn't have seen Kressh's mumified remains on Korriban. Sadow died on Yavin 4 and again Kun wouldn't be able to see his mumified body on Korriban. And thus the last possibility is Ragnos himself. Period.

And for force powers: Everything Exar Kun had access to did come from the ancient Sith Empire. Either it was brought to known space by Sadow (everything on Yavin 4), kept by Nadd (Onderon and Dxun), kept on Ossus or was discovered personally by Kun on Korriban.

Now the ancient Sith Lords in the Sith Empire had access to all of those Dark Side sources, artifacts, alchemy and special technology but non of them did ever try to challenge Ragnos. Therefore it's quite save to assume that Ragnos would be more powerful than Exar Kun because having far more sources for Dark Side powers than him and much more time for training (remember: he reigned over the Sith Empire for more than a century).

Thus being said Ragnos will most likely destoy Exar.

Glentract, Nadd never killed Arca. In fact, Arca infuriated Nadd because he wasn't able to kill him, even through his puppet Ommin. Arca died from the Krath droid ambush on Deneba.

Escape forgot to mention Exar's instakill used against Odan-Urr

Nai:

I've already proved that it is impossible for Ragnos to have created the message. He was dead before the Hyperspace war even started, certainly long before the Republic and Jedi were winning the war and making the Sith extinct. It is a temporal impossibility that he could've made the message. Ergo, Ragnos did not create the message.

The Ancient Sith lords certainly did not have access to all these Dark Side sources. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that Ludo Kressh could have walked into Naga Sadow's stronghold, sat down with his alchemical equipment, and tinkered around without Naga Sadow trying to lop his head off? Certainly not. The fierce rivalry precludes the Ancient Sith from learning a great deal from each other. Exar Kun had no such rivalries to contend with and thus was able to build up an immense wealth of knowledge, which, with what he stole from Ossus, was "more wealth and knowledge than he can ever use," as described by the vaunted narrator.

That being said, the outcome of this battle is unknown.