Originally posted by HoshiSo the power wasn't Kirby's, but belonged to the star. That hardly counts as an innate ability.
and in fact kirby called for the help of hia galaxy sun , of course the sun was only the size of a moon , but it was huge anyway.
And again, SSB cannot count as canon evidence for Kirby sucking in larger, more powerful foes. To support the claim, you must draw canon evidence from Kirby's series.
I noticed that no one answered my point on rapid fire blasts. Can Kirby suck in large, rapid fire blasts? Even if he could suck in one, the successors would vaporize him, since Kirby seems capable of holding one object in his mouth at a time.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
So the power wasn't Kirby's, but belonged to the star. That hardly counts as an innate ability.And again, SSB cannot count as canon evidence for Kirby sucking in larger, more powerful foes. To support the claim, you must draw canon evidence from Kirby's series.
I noticed that no one answered my point on rapid fire blasts. Can Kirby suck in large, rapid fire blasts? Even if he could suck in one, the successors would vaporize him, since Kirby seems capable of holding one object in his mouth at a time.
Yes SSB, can be used as evidence, X and Kirby are a couple of god-damn fictional characters somebody made up sittting at a drawing board. You make it sound like were betting 50,000 on a big time heavyweight boxing match in Vegas. If X appeared in a lot of other games not relevent to his own series, you know that you sure as hell would be using them. Yes Kirby would swallow a blast, and then dodge the next one and spit it at tha robot.
SSB is a Nintendo trade mark as is Kirby, so yes it's relevent. Just like when Mega Man (Rock) appeared in Capcom vs Marvel, thats also relevent. The same company who made them is using them, just in another game. So dont use that crap, boy.
Originally posted by dvampire🤘
X wins IMO for now.
SSB as canon for this argument, DiamondBullets? So by association, you're saying that Pikachu can school Mewtwo? And that Mario and Luigi can casually shrug off hits from saber weapons, Samus's Beam Cannon and the mighty Star Rod? That's some rather shaky logic you've selected to defend your point. Let's explore, shall we?
The Star Rod is one of Kirby's mightier weapons, according to the plot of Kirby's Adventure. In SSB, it is a moderate weapon at best, overshadowed by other weapons, such as the Hammer (a freakin' hammer!). At most, the Star Rod's blasts knock opponents back a few paces. From SSB logic, we can conclude that the Star Rod isn't that impressive. And it has been said to be one of Kirby's strongest weapons. Following the logic, we must conclude that Kirby's other attacks must be equal to or less than the power of the Star Rod. That means that, according to the logic you have chosen, Kirby's best attacks would do little more than knock X back a bit (assuming they could connect).
No doubt you will revisit your point that Kirby could suck X in and steal his powers. You are suggesting that Kirby with X's powers could beat X, correct? You are suggesting that Kirby with X's powers would do more damage than the Star Rod, which we must conclude can do little more than push X around. Hence, you are suggesting that X and his powers are more powerful than Kirby and the Star Rod (and the whole of the weapons in SSB, which also do little more than knock characters around).
That's quite a claim suggested by SSB logic! X being more powerful than all the SSB characters and weapons...
I like it! 🙂
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Yes SSB, can be used as evidence, X and Kirby are a couple of god-damn fictional characters somebody made up sittting at a drawing board. You make it sound like were betting 50,000 on a big time heavyweight boxing match in Vegas. If X appeared in a lot of other games not relevent to his own series, you know that you sure as hell would be using them. Yes Kirby would swallow a blast, and then dodge the next one and spit it at tha robot.SSB is a Nintendo trade mark as is Kirby, so yes it's relevent. Just like when Mega Man (Rock) appeared in Capcom vs Marvel, thats also relevent. The same company who made them is using them, just in another game. So dont use that crap, boy.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
🤘SSB as canon for this argument, DiamondBullets? So by association, you're saying that Pikachu can school Mewtwo? And that Mario and Luigi can casually shrug off hits from saber weapons, Samus's Beam Cannon and the mighty Star Rod? That's some rather shaky logic you've selected to defend your point. Let's explore, shall we?
The Star Rod is one of Kirby's mightier weapons, according to the plot of Kirby's Adventure. In SSB, it is a moderate weapon at best, overshadowed by other weapons, such as the Hammer (a freakin' hammer!). At most, the Star Rod's blasts knock opponents back a few paces. From SSB logic, we can conclude that the Star Rod isn't that impressive. And it has been said to be one of Kirby's strongest weapons. Following the logic, we must conclude that Kirby's other attacks must be equal to or less than the power of the Star Rod. That means that, according to the logic you have chosen, Kirby's best attacks would do little more than knock X back a bit (assuming they could connect).
No doubt you will revisit your point that Kirby could suck X in and steal his powers. You are suggesting that Kirby with X's powers could beat X, correct? You are suggesting that Kirby with X's powers would do more damage than the Star Rod, which we must conclude can do little more than push X around. Hence, you are suggesting that X and his powers are more powerful than Kirby and the Star Rod (and the whole of the weapons in SSB, which also do little more than knock characters around).
That's quite a claim suggested by SSB logic! X being more powerful than all the SSB characters and weapons...
I like it! 🙂
Great post! That's why I pick Megaman. 🙂
Ok, and if Mega man can get his ass kicked by E. Honda and Dhalsim, then that doesn't say much about his successor, does it? And yes, I know X is more advanced than MM, but not extremely. You can think of them as cars--Megaman X is just a Megaman SuperSport, with 2 extra cylinders, an extra exhaust, and improved handling. Hell, Just to make you happy, I'll even giv'im a sunroof, chrome spinners, and hyrdaulics.
And if ya want some canon, as Hoshi pointed out earlier he can break stars with his bare hands; R2-D2 on steroids would get smoked faster than an ounce of crack in Harlem.
Originally posted by DiamondBulletsGetting tired, my friend? Your arguments are slipping.
Ok, and if Mega man can get his ass kicked by E. Honda and Dhalsim, then that doesn't say much about his successor, does it? And yes, I know X is more advanced than MM, but not extremely. You can think of them as cars--Megaman X is just a Megaman SuperSport, with 2 extra cylinders, an extra exhaust, and improved handling. Hell, Just to make you happy, I'll even giv'im a sunroof, chrome spinners, and hyrdaulics.And if ya want some canon, as Hoshi pointed out earlier he can break stars with his bare hands; R2-D2 on steroids would get smoked faster than an ounce of crack in Harlem.
I would never consider Marvel vs Capcom as canon for defining Mega Man's power (let alone X's power). Why? It's chock full of laughable power inconsitencies; Thanos vs Ryu for example.
The next flaw in your thinking is the power relationship between Mega Man and X.
Originally posted by DiamondBulletsHow much attention do you pay to the game storyline? X1 states that X's Buster alone is far superior to Rock's. Rock's is a Mark 1 Mega Buster. X's Buster is a Mark 17. In addition, X's body is not constructed of simple metallic materials, but nano technology. He actually has the android equivalent of DNA (reference Mega Man X5-MMXCM). This allows him to heal himself of damage, something Rock could not do.
I know X is more advanced than MM, but not extremely.
And while we're on the subject of X's DNA, Dr. Light designed it with the potential for limitless power (reference X4, Xtreme 2, X5, X7, MMXCM). In other words, X's power continues to climb as long as he's alive. Need I say this is a great deal different than Rocks set power level?
Need more proof? Dr. Light's adversary designed a powerful android of his own called Zero. Zero's power rival's X's. In MM: The Power Battle, Zero has been stated to have a power level so high, he could effortlessly destroy both Mega Man, and his more powerful rival Bass, at the same time. X's power is at least the equal of Zero's power, therefore, he too must be significantly more powerful than Mega Man.
Let's return to the "breaking stars thing". To be honest, its not really that impressive. Hoshi already stated that the star Kirby destroyed was, at most, the size of a moon. Not only that, but Popstar-type stars could hardly be compared with the giant, fusion furnace variety that populate our own universe (and X's universe).
Now, for the sake of argument, let us assume that Kirby were capable of destroying a moon-sized object. Not a problem for X. He's faced and defeated enemies capable of annihilating moon-sized objects (Lumine, Great Redips, Ninetails).
As for X, after 200 years of fighting Mavericks, his power was great enough for him to contain within his body a force capable of destroying the planet Earth (reference Mega Man: Zero 2,3). He contained this power for several decades while performing various other feats.
There can be no doubt left. X is vastly superior to Mega Man. Unless, of course, you'd like to argue that Rock is stronger than a planet-destroying force. 🙂
Originally posted by Inspectah DeckNo, he can't. When has Kirby swallowed Meta Knight, Dedede, Cloaked Nightmare, or Dark Mind? Kirby can't swallow opponents significantly larger or more powerful than he is. Likewise, he cannot swallow all energy attacks. The exception is if you use Smash Brothers physics, which I've already shown to be a bad idea for the Pro-Kirby folks.
He can't?