Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, so let's make fun of people who are quite clearly troubled enough to get into hurting themselves. That'll make for a mighty fine world, filled with compassion won't it?Some people...
-AC
Ohhh... since when did you think you knew how to fix the worlds porblems. Some people cant live together. And a planet filled with comapassion would be a horrible place. So stale and dull
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To who? Me? It's a very huge over-reaction, yes. Silly? Sure, if you WANT to call it that.The point I made that it wasn't silly to him was it? We can sit here all day, with "rational" minds, saying why suicide is needless and why we'd never do it. That's irrelevent though, we can't apply our calm logic to the situation of some kid nobody here knew or had any knowledge of.
To him it might have seemed like the most sensible thing in the world.
-AC
I understand your point. But it's a sense less cause. He should have consider his family's reaction, his friends' reactions and such
Re: So, Myspace got someone killed
Originally posted by StaT1c
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news...b 3b9682dcb19Some kid posted up a suicide note on myspace saying:
call the police.
Address ... Abadejo, Mission Viejo, CA 92692.
tell them to go down the hall to the bathrooom.
im soo sorry<3And what do you know, he did it.
F*ck this kid. Killing yourself is 1) cowardly, and 2), selfish toward the people that care about you. Only pussies write suicide notes. I have to give him credit for actually killing himself right by blowing his brains out, rather than do it the wrong way and cut his wrists in the wrong area.
Dumb ass emo kid.
you sound like a **** in this post, you know that right?
i agree suicide is selfish... and possibly cowardly, but attaching it to a genre of music makes you sound stupid
Originally posted by Imagawa666
Ohhh... since when did you think you knew how to fix the worlds porblems. Some people cant live together. And a planet filled with comapassion would be a horrible place. So stale and dull
Try understanding my posts, then reply.
Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I understand your point. But it's a sense less cause. He should have consider his family's reaction, his friends' reactions and such
You don't understand my point then do you?
"He should have...", "It's senseless...".
Yes, to you. My point, which you clearly do not understand, was that in the state of mind he was in, being sensible and what you "should" do, did not enter into it.
It's all too easy to sit here casually saying "Yeah he should have done this." To him, it wasn't that easy was it?
I don't know what's so hard to grasp about this concept.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) He wasn't quite obviously emo. You quite obviously don't have a flying clue what the term means because if you did you'd know it wasn't relevent here. Don't talk about making generalisations when you more or less just made the biggest one there is. False also.
By 'quite obviously' emo, I was referring to the comments made in the report about him... he wasn't quite obviously emo because he killed himself, but because of the way he portrayed himself. He was seen as emo, whatever that term may be defined as. Please don't tear me apart because you read me wrong.
B) How is it a cowardly act to blow your head off with a gun? Takes guts in my opinion.
He was a coward for killing himself, not for the way he did it. I didn't word that correctly, I do apologise.
I remember you speaking about how important it was not to speak down on drug users or people with drug problems because you don't know what it's like until you've been through it. What gives you the very hypocritical right to call him and his actions silly?Obviously weren't silly to him were they?
-AC
I called him silly in a very loose manner. As in, a way one would call a child silly for having a tantrum over something idiotic. This suicide, and the way it was carried out, was idiotic. And I have been through it, I came out of it. Excuse me.
Just another quick note, AC, I read this thread through and I agree with all of your comments. In other discussions regarding this topic I have a tendency to take the exact same viewpoint as you. But, once again, you have taken me on as an opponent rather than an ally. Wonders will never cease 🙄
Originally posted by Syren
By 'quite obviously' emo, I was referring to the comments made in the report about him... he wasn't quite obviously emo because he killed himself, but because of the way he portrayed himself. He was seen as emo, whatever that term may be defined as. Please don't tear me apart because you read me wrong.
You don't even know what emo means, so how can you say he was portrayed as emo? Emo has nothing to do with anything outside of music. The emo "scene" is a fake label. It's just a different kind of trendwhore. There's no need to attach the word "emo".
Originally posted by Syren
He was a coward for killing himself, not for the way he did it. I didn't word that correctly, I do apologise.
Still, it takes guts to end your own life, knowing it's gonna be for eternity. I agree that it's a selfish act, but I don't condemn. I think selfish is the term, not cowardly. Bringing death upon yourself is anything but.
Originally posted by Syren
I called him silly in a very loose manner. As in, a way one would call a child silly for having a tantrum over something idiotic. This suicide, and the way it was carried out, was idiotic. And I have been through it, I came out of it. Excuse me.
Exactly, so you should realise that you were a fortunate one. Some people aren't as fortunate as you. Just because you could do it, doesn't mean everyone can. It's all too easy to come through it with a holier than thou attitude. I'm sure if someone said that being in the depths was idiotic, when you were there you'd probably have replied with "Try being here and dealing with it." You'd be right to, also. So afford the same respect to others.
With regards to you saying I've taken you on as an opponent. This tends to happen when people have conflicting views on specific things.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You don't even know what emo means, so how can you say he was portrayed as emo? Emo has nothing to do with anything outside of music. The emo "scene" is a fake label. It's just a different kind of trendwhore. There's no need to attach the word "emo".
True, I don't know the definition. Although I do know it's not a recent term, although it seems to have been adopted by a certain type recently... I based my comments on the wording in the report. He was labelled as 'emo', so I used the word 'emo', I meant no offence by it.
Still, it takes guts to end your own life, knowing it's gonna be for eternity. I agree that it's a selfish act, but I don't condemn. I think selfish is the term, not cowardly. Bringing death upon yourself is anything but.
I agree... I would never say it was easy to actually and your own life. Probably why I came out the other side of a severe depression; although I hit rock bottom in my eyes, I was still connected enough to realise I couldn't follow through. Does that make me a coward for shying away from death, or a stronger person for bringing myself back from the brink?
Exactly, so you should realise that you were a fortunate one. Some people aren't as fortunate as you. Just because you could do it, doesn't mean everyone can. It's all too easy to come through it with a holier than thou attitude. I'm sure if someone said that being in the depths was idiotic, when you were there you'd probably have replied with "Try being here and dealing with it." You'd be right to, also. So afford the same respect to others.-AC
I'm not holier than thou, at least I try not to be. I realise, however, that I can be quite arrogant. And I'm sure I can recall saying 'Try being here...' on more than one occasion.
AC, we have conflicting views on everything... until you read back through our debates and note that in actual fact, a lot of the time we agree and ignore it.
If the dual solutions to a given problem are
a) Dealing with that problem; or
b) Choosing a method of suicide that will (in the event that there is no such thing as an afterlife) end all activity on your part in this world, for eternity;
it's an easy choice as to which requires more fortitude. Let's end the cliched crap about bravery in the face of adversity. All humans have problems, and for the most part, they try to sort them out.
Suicide is possibly a drastic solution, but it's by no means cowardly. I can think of a lot of problems that rank lower on the list than the problem of ceasing to exist from here onwards.
Originally posted by Lana
I already commented on the misleading nature of the title and was completely ignored.
For a minute i thought they refered to the site in this already existing thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376730&highlight=Ctrl+Alt+Suicide
I'm still not totally sure what you are trying to establish by raising our past topical disagreements everytime we disagree on something...it baffles me to this day. Whether you think I'm picking you out or doing it for the sake of? I have no clue. I reply to whoever I feel like replying to really. It goes no further.
Originally posted by Syren
True, I don't know the definition. Although I do know it's not a recent term, although it seems to have been adopted by a certain type recently... I based my comments on the wording in the report. He was labelled as 'emo', so I used the word 'emo', I meant no offence by it.
It didn't offend me, I just think that for someone so against generalisation, judging and stereotyping, you shouldn't be saying the guy was quite obviously emo. Nothing to do with emo. Emo is an abbreviated musical term, nothing more.
Originally posted by Syren
I agree... I would never say it was easy to actually and your own life. Probably why I came out the other side of a severe depression; although I hit rock bottom in my eyes, I was still connected enough to realise I couldn't follow through. Does that make me a coward for shying away from death, or a stronger person for bringing myself back from the brink?
It makes you no more or less than someone who came through it. Some do, some don't. He didn't, you did. He made one decision, you made another. It's that simple.
Originally posted by Syren
I'm not holier than thou, at least I try not to be. I realise, however, that I can be quite arrogant. And I'm sure I can recall saying 'Try being here...' on more than one occasion.
There we go then. End of discussion.
-AC