Captain America and Elektra vs Deathstroke and Batgirl

Started by spetznaz2 pages

Originally posted by long pig
I hate batgirl. Why not just call her meta?

Instead, they just say he's peak human. Bullshit.

Good point .....Batgirl is definitely NOT peak human. No human, no matter how well trained they are, can do some of the things she does.

Well ....maybe those Shao Lin monks in 1970s-era kungfu flicks can do such stuff, but that's just about it.

Batgirl, in my opinion, is definitely at Meta level.

p.s: For that matter so should Batman. The guy is too darn perfect ....his mind, his body .....it is so perfect one has to wonder.
And then there are some of the things he does .....for example in the whole Obsidian Age series, the JLA got hit by an ancient spell by some shaman dude, and it was a magical sleep that no one should have been able to rise up from.
Well ....guess who decided to rouse himself from slumber .....even the shaman was perplexed. Especially when you consider stronger characters (in particular Wonderwoman, who has a tolerance for such matters, Martian Manhunter, who has an alien physiology and mental adeptness, the Flash, who can metabolize any changes the magic might have caused in his system to make him sleep) were out cold. Goodness, WonderWoman would have been killed had Batman not 'amazingly' awakened.
Oh, and then there is the whole 'master strategist' part.
Is it strategy, or is it precognition? Yeah yeah, I know it is strategy, but a very good argument could be made for precog.
Or if not precog maybe an ability that is along the lines of Major Disaster (who can make disasters happen at will), but in Bruce's case making his subconscious will occur.

Anyways, technically Batgirl and Batman are 'human' .....however if that is human then ....well .....hmmmm!

The only other possibility would be something from Marvel .....there was a story arc that dealt with Vargas who basically took down several membes of the X-men as if they were nothing (he even killed Psyloche and did so with amazingly little effort, and would have killed Beast had Psyloche not stepped in and sacrificed herself).
In that arc Vargas was not a mutant.
And he was not 'human.'
He was the next evolution of humanity .....basically the next step in the evolutionary sequence, whereby Homo Sapiens Sapiens would evolve into the next stage of being.
And mutation was not the next stage .....Vargas described mutants as a rough draft, an evolutionary offshoot that was no longer necessary now that the true heirs of humanity (beginning with him) had evolved.

If Batman/Batgirl were in Marvel instead of DC they would fit perfectly in that niche.
Not mutant.
But far far more than 'peak' human.

Super human (as opposed to superhuman) comes to mind.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Good point .....Batgirl is definitely NOT peak human. No human, no matter how well trained they are, can do some of the things she does.

Well ....maybe those Shao Lin monks in 1970s-era kungfu flicks can do such stuff, but that's just about it.

Batgirl, in my opinion, is definitely at Meta level.

p.s: For that matter so should Batman. The guy is too darn perfect ....his mind, his body .....it is so perfect one has to wonder.
And then there are some of the things he does .....for example in the whole Obsidian Age series, the JLA got hit by an ancient spell by some shaman dude, and it was a magical sleep that no one should have been able to rise up from.
Well ....guess who decided to rouse himself from slumber .....even the shaman was perplexed. Especially when you consider stronger characters (in particular Wonderwoman, who has a tolerance for such matters, Martian Manhunter, who has an alien physiology and mental adeptness, the Flash, who can metabolize any changes the magic might have caused in his system to make him sleep) were out cold. Goodness, WonderWoman would have been killed had Batman not 'amazingly' awakened.
Oh, and then there is the whole 'master strategist' part.
Is it strategy, or is it precognition? Yeah yeah, I know it is strategy, but a very good argument could be made for precog.
Or if not precog maybe an ability that is along the lines of Major Disaster (who can make disasters happen at will), but in Bruce's case making his subconscious will occur.

Anyways, technically Batgirl and Batman are 'human' .....however if that is human then ....well .....hmmmm!

The only other possibility would be something from Marvel .....there was a story arc that dealt with Vargas who basically took down several membes of the X-men as if they were nothing (he even killed Psyloche and did so with amazingly little effort, and would have killed Beast had Psyloche not stepped in and sacrificed herself).
In that arc Vargas was not a mutant.
And he was not 'human.'
He was the next evolution of humanity .....basically the next step in the evolutionary sequence, whereby Homo Sapiens Sapiens would evolve into the next stage of being.
And mutation was not the next stage .....Vargas described mutants as a rough draft, an evolutionary offshoot that was no longer necessary now that the true heirs of humanity (beginning with him) had evolved.

If Batman/Batgirl were in Marvel instead of DC they would fit perfectly in that niche.
Not mutant.
But far far more than 'peak' human.

Super human (as opposed to superhuman) comes to mind.

Excellent post. And the analogy about Vargas is absolutely correct. I loved that story arc. What ever happened to Vargas anyway? (i mean after the rogue fight).

ps: i was under the impression he also killed Gambit?

Originally posted by Dark Urizen
Excellent post. And the analogy about Vargas is absolutely correct. I loved that story arc. What ever happened to Vargas anyway? (i mean after the rogue fight).

ps: i was under the impression he also killed Gambit?

The ones I read only had him killing Psylocke, and almost killing Beast. If he also tagged Gambit then I did not see that one, but I have the ones where he is killing Psylocke and thrashing Beast so hard I actually felt sad for him (even though 'he' is just a drawing).
I don't know whether he got Gambit or not .....I doubt it though.
As for what happened to Vargas .....well, I don't know. Although I hope Marvel uses him more often ....his story and its implications (especially the whole human vs mutant vs EVOLVED human) were amazing.
Basically humans evolving to a level whereby mutants are obsolete.
Mind boggling.

batgirl meta human??? b.s Captain teaches her some respect for her country, i promise you.

Originally posted by spetznaz
The ones I read only had him killing Psylocke, and almost killing Beast. If he also tagged Gambit then I did not see that one, but I have the ones where he is killing Psylocke and thrashing Beast so hard I actually felt sad for him (even though 'he' is just a drawing).
I don't know whether he got Gambit or not .....I doubt it though.
As for what happened to Vargas .....well, I don't know. Although I hope Marvel uses him more often ....his story and its implications (especially the whole human vs mutant vs EVOLVED human) were amazing.
Basically humans evolving to a level whereby mutants are obsolete.
Mind boggling.

He resurfaced in Madripoor during the invasion by Khan, but targeted Rogue as his next victim, because he saw that she would kill him in the volume of Destiny's journals that he stole. As the invading aliens were in his way, he began to fight them, and killed Shaitan, the chief lieutenant, who was masquerading as Storm (thus explaining the prophecy). Vargas then found Gambit, who was being used as the energy conduit for the aliens' trans-dimensional gateway and prepared to kill him to cut off the invasion. Rogue intervened, but her powers gave out and Vargas impaled the two of them on his sword.

Rogue and Gambit survived, and though wounded, Rogue tracked Vargas down and ambushed him. Vargas was unable to stop her unfettered fury, especially after she touched and mimicked him. Under the point of his own sword, Vargas explained about the diaries and Rogue's part in his demise. Rogue realized that the diaries could trap you into doing what it stated, or into committing great atrocities to avoid the "prophecies." She was seen preparing to stab Vargas, but the video camera that was the sole witness to the event lost power at the critical moment, and Vargas's fate remains unknown.

Damn 🙁 Thought he killed 'im 🙁

Well wolverine couldve killed havok, beat, did kill northstar, couldve killed, The Thing and the human Torch....all in a short amount of time.

Deathstroke and Batgirl with minor difficulties.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Don't worry .....sunshine.

😛 lol

Nice thread babycakes.

Originally posted by The Ion
Nice thread babycakes.

so pumkin, sunshine and babycakes................boys 🙄 .....lol

Originally posted by long pig
No, he's right.

Name me 5 times Cap has lost a fight.....

Here's one...

😖hifty:

http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor18vl.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor26el.gif
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captnamor31vu.gif

Ok, there's ONE....and by a 100++ Tonner no less.

Four more to go!

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, there's ONE....and by a 100++ Tonner no less.

Four more to go!

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sheild0md.jpg 😄

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, there's ONE....and by a 100++ Tonner no less.

Four more to go!

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2183/namorfeat87yv.gif 😉

Scans by jrodslam...

http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invadersfight35rr.jpg
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invadersfight49bg.jpg

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/8374/namovscap11mb.gif
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/2659/namorvscap27da.gif
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/9923/namorvscap33ls.gif

Boy, Namor surely seems to kick his ass a lot.

I don't have fifth pic of Cap losing though, and I gotta go to sleep. 😬

I think you guys've made your point anyway 😂