Originally posted by Darth Faunus
And got owned in a matter of seconds, according to you and many others. By your logic, since Saesee Tiin went up against Sidious, he's better than Obi-Wan.
I don't rememeber ever saying that Vodo got owned by Kun because I don't think Vodo got owned by Kun. Vodo thought that he could defeat Kun easily(notice he chose to use a stick rather than a lightsaber). Kun also considered Vodo to be a threat. If Exar feared that Vodo could have defeated him, I doubt that he went there and wasted him. He had a better grip on his powers and would know his Master's power well since he had sparred with him and trained with him.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
As for your list:Ulic was a Sith Lord. He was a Jedi for a time, but he converted. And once that conversion is made, we can officially deem them Sith. And even now, it's debatable whether or not he can defeat Yoda. Mace alone would be a considerable challenge, but I'll admit that in the end, Windu would probably fall. In Yoda's case, I think a victory in Ulic's favor might happen, but the Jedi Master has a chance.
Ulic was still a Jedi after being a Sith for a time before losing his powers. The same dude who stalemated Exar.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Vodo? It's possible, but I highly doubt it. I don't follow the all too common mindset that Pre-PT Jedi would utterly waste any PT Jedi. But that's just me.
Here is what Janus said at DT concerning Vodo vs. Yoda:
"Actual evidence citing Vodo as being better than Yoda is sketchy, but here's what I'm thinking:
- Vodo is in better health.
- Vodo is noted for his lightsaber abilities especially.
- Vodo trained Kun, someone who could wipe his ass with Yoda.
- Vodo's confidence in his ability is pretty apparent when he takes on a Sith Lord with his walking stick. This would be the equivalent of Yoda taking on Sidious with his walking stick, which he did not do.
- Yoda gets out of breath easily against good opponents, as noted when he fights Dooku.
- Vodo is actually a bit bigger than Yoda, so there may be a strength factor or advantage/disadvantage therein.
- I find it hard to believe that a Jedi master of a time of peace and no visible Sith will neccessarily be better than a grandmaster in the era following Freedan Nadd and one era in which Jedi still wore battle armor (Which they abandoned after Ruusan... a very symbolic gesture, if you will.)"
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Luke, and the other post-PT Jedi you listed, cannot be considered, as I was referring to Jedi up until that point. Although since my wording implied otherwise, I apologize.
No problem.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
And Arca? Again, doubt it. You have nothing supporting him save for the fact that he was a respected Jedi in ancient times, and that just doesn't cut it.
Like I said possibly. He was considered the most powerful Jedi during the Krath War Droid attack putting him probably second in the Order. This is the Order that actually where's armor into combat and fights to the death with real opponents.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
By the way, did you not note the use of the word 'possibly' in my post? Even if every single Jedi listed in your post -- only two of which can really be considered -- are in fact more powerful and more skilled than Yoda or Mace, you still have them in the top five. And that's damn good.
I don't see possibly in there, anyway...
Obi-wan and Anakin are in the top five of PT Jedi, but Yoda or Mace would pwn either one of them.